Boer vs. Avan #62 MIRROR

[X-Medoere & RCS/KE (Thorsten)]

OoC: "Dug in" entails some form of time spent digging and preparing. What you're looking for is "they hold the high ground".

When I say they're dug in, and I chose those words consciously, thats metaphorically speaking (since there's no trenchwars in RoE as far as I know, which would also be stupid to defend with a sword and a shield) and means they've had a week or so to prepare their positions AND hold the high ground AND wait for us to come to them. Ie, they've dug the metaphorical fingers of their army into this hill, and will be difficult to dislodge... "Hold the high ground"? Jeez, we're the ones holding the moral high ground here, we're the good guys! 

[DM B]

When Boer defeated the Avanese and chased them of the province, he naturally found a very good defensible spot for his main army to occupy. Including terrain that provides flank security (you have to take the adjacent high ground to get around his main position), screening of his rear areas (to avoid giving you free intelligence), and presumably good lines of communication (the main road passes not far from here).

[X-DM Jon]

Thanks for moving this to the OoC. Though I love being a pedantic, this discussion doesn't belong there anymore, the point has been made. You ain't looking at a fortified enemy, but an enemy on a hill.

Did you ever see the Kenneth Brannagh movie "Henry V"?

Or Braveheart? Or the horrible movie King Arthur? Spartacus?

 They met the enemy "dug-in", with time enough to prepare stake boundaries, Hollywood oil traps, huge rolling timber logs, burning pitch and other nasty traps. A "prepared position". Another word for "dug in".
That dug-in is a modern term, due to the need for protection against artillery, just makes it even worse to use in this case.

 What you're looking at is an enemy on higher ground who just got there. That ain't dug in. 

[DM B]

Moreover: Contemporary Anuriean armies are not usually too keen on digging in; they will provide some security measures and try to camp at defensible sites, but no armed camps like the romans made. The exception is during sieges, then the spades and picks come out 

[X-DM Jon]

Wyld actually had his army "dig in" for the battle of Cwlldon (or somewhere thereabouts). They took the time to create field fortifications.
 But then he was a bastard who didn't care much for the way things're done. That almost won him Mhoried, indeed if he hadn't crossed the line, killing peacebound crusaders and provoking the orthodoxy, he'd be Mhor today.

[DM B]

Wyld actually had his army "dig in" for the battle of Cwlldon (or somewhere thereabouts). They took the time to create field fortifications.
 But then he was a bastard who didn't care much for the way things're done. That almost won him Mhoried, indeed if he hadn't crossed the line, killing peacebound crusaders and provoking the orthodoxy, he'd be Mhor today.

Wyld also learned Warcraft from Jaison Raenech, which was a bit more accomplished in that filed than most.

[X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor)]

Wyld also learned Warcraft from Jaison Raenech, which was a bit more accomplished in that filed than most.

Just curious: those Wyld and Raenech were PC or NPC?

[X-Roesone/ARR (Robert)]

NPCs, both of them.

[X-DM Jon]

And both are quite dead

[X-Roesone/ARR (Robert)]

And both are quite dead

Yeah... one is deader than dead, and the other is allegedly dead..

Not sure how any of those states of being qualify as "quite" though

[X-Medoere & RCS/KE (Thorsten)]

And both are quite dead

Yeah... one is deader than dead, and the other is allegedly dead..

Not sure how any of those states of being qualify as "quite" though

Raenech is "quite" frightening... would that suffice?

[DM B]

NPCs, both of them.

Notice that I'm meaner to NPCs than I am to PCs...that should be comforting.

[X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby)]

NPCs, both of them.

Notice that I'm meaner to NPCs than I am to PCs...that should be comforting.

And yet somehow there always seems to be more than enough mean left over for the PCs too.

It sounds like you guys have a choice between moving straight to crush the enemy army, which would be quicker but would leave the possibility of unpleasant surprises and maneuvering by the reserves and similar to ruin your plans, or taking one or more ridges first, which would give you better access and intelligence, but would delay you a fair bit and give outside armies more time to march and maneuver, possibly against you, but more likely against the Grand Army while it licks its wounds.

Fortunately, you guys know that both answers are wrong, because this is RoE.  So you might as well pick whichever one sounds more interesting!  Isn't that a liberating thought?

[X-Tuornen/LF (Geir)]

I can not find that there has been any public offer of Parley from either side. Is that right?

To offer the enemy chance to surrender is one thing, and have that even been done? But there are a large number of knights in shining armor on this field are there not?

Where are their honours rules of combat hidden?

As one playing a female PC one can not but feel the need to sadly mock the lack of deeds to follow the high words spoken at fine dinners.

[X-Roesone/ARR (Robert)]

I can not find that there has been any public offer of Parley from either side. Is that right?
To offer the enemy chance to surrender is one thing, and have that even been done?

There has