Because this doesn't belong in the DO thread.
Yea, my DO's been in awhile. I'm apparently on the receiving end of a completely uncalled for war! 
I mean, he could at least get a better casus belli than not having access to Markazor... He could have bought passage through Tornilen and Mhoried. Same 5 provinces of movement. A couple of bridges and he'd be all set.
Oh the injustice! The inhumanity!
I thought we were staying clear of any inter-player wars during the grace period? Was it ended a turn early after all?
Well, he declared at the very end of of turn, so I assume he is actually being nice about it, getting the declaration out in advance of an early spring strike. He could have saved it, but we both knew it was around the corner.
We should discuss further in a mirror of the declaration, and leave this for the DO stuff.
I'm apparently on the receiving end of a completely uncalled for war!
I suppose that is technically true. You never called for war with Osoerde explicitly. To us, at least.
I mean, you did cut Osoerde off from a vassal. And there were multiple seasons of failed diplomacy. And you declared an Osoerdean vassal anathema. And insulted others. And rejected the possibility of further Diplomacy to resolve the situation. And conspired against a vassal state. And so on.
But, hey, you never actually said "Let's have a war!" That's Osoerde's job, what with us being such imperialistic bastards and all. Good point!
Sounds like Bobby has been misinformed by Alan. Elinie did not cut anyone off from Morcosoer, we just happen to be on the road there. The diplomacy all failed because Gerad ibn Daouta, a.k.a the Malignant, the Usurper and the Traitor, refused to return to Elinie as a hero, yes that was a choice he had, and become the heir. - OR stay in Osoerde and accept the titles there, yes this predates him becoming a vassal, IF he made a decree stating that Gerad had no designs or claims on the Duchy of Elinie.
Either of those choices would have gotten the treaty completed. A treaty btw. where Elinie's main demand is that the two duchies are defensive allies, and that Osoer's law holding counts as Elinien for the purposes of negating prosperity loss. - Lets forget that completely, right? - That the lawholding has been gnawing at Elinie since day 1.
Elinie did not deny further Diplomacy. Coeranys was unable to attend a joint meeting this season, due to being kidnapped and probably killed, and the Archduke never called back, so there was no reason to go.
In addition, all proposed treaties have been offered by Elinie, all attempts at negotiating benefits that could possible assuage the other nobles of Elinie to accept Gerad in Osoerde, were denied by a too proud Archduke. - The Archduke DID offer one treaty, where Elinie bows knee in 10 years of vassalage, and he promised to take away the power Elinies vassals have and hand it to Rashid direct.
In other words, Osoer wants a puppet in Elinie. He doesn't care if its called Gerad or Rashid.
The Archduke has the duty to protect his vassals. Elinie has offered to send troops to Morcosoer to protect it while the treaty was pending. - We gave an offer, and it was flat rejected and no attempts at bargaining were made.
Then, this winter, the Ogre goes to Morcosoer and we point out to the Marquis, that we might be able to muster the troops he needs, but we can't do so with the blessing of his current master. - Any breach would be by the Marquis, and rightfully so, since Osoer is busy powermongering.
Alright! - Last point. All the things the decree outlawing Gerad spaeks of are true and is public knowledge. He was the General of Elinie, serving Rashid. Rashid is chased off by Adaliz' and Gerad runs south. Rashid regains the power, yet Gerad stays away... Then Rashid gets to speak with Gerad, and Gerad refuses to come home = Desertion = Treason.
Yet the negotiations continue, for Elinie doesn't desire war, nor the enmity of Gerad. It is stressed repeatedly that Gerad must be dealt with and the Archduke is urged to tell him to give up his possible claim on Elinie. He refuses!
Yea, my DO's been in awhile. I'm apparently on the receiving end of a completely uncalled for war!
I mean, he could at least get a better casus belli than not having access to Markazor... He could have bought passage through Tornilen and Mhoried. Same 5 provinces of movement. A couple of bridges and he'd be all set.
Oh the injustice! The inhumanity!
The SM refused access because as you requested...
This is this winter, where negotiations are so sour even grapes couldn't be that sour. The Sword Mage reports to noone, least of all Elinie. If the Archduke hadn't declared at the S&C that she was an abomitable freak that should be put down, he might have had better results.
Yea, my DO's been in awhile. I'm apparently on the receiving end of a completely uncalled for war!
I mean, he could at least get a better casus belli than not having access to Markazor... He could have bought passage through Tornilen and Mhoried. Same 5 provinces of movement. A couple of bridges and he'd be all set.
Oh the injustice! The inhumanity!
I thought we were staying clear of any inter-player wars during the grace period? Was it ended a turn early after all?
I definitely have been under the assumption that the grace period was over for all intents and purposes. As a side note, I didn't actually intend to wait until the very end to issue the decree -- I was just strapped for time primarily.
I'm a little worried about that statement, since I have certainly refrained from actions in conflict with that rule.
Finally, all the above is in the reaction to being called out on an OOC remark. All the above is OOC that your characters does not neccessarily know unless you are in the conflict. (And in the case of Bobby, not all info seems to have been available).
Indeed, my best defense shall be truth.
