Realm magic update

[X-Osoerde (Alan)]

Clerics/paladins and spells:

I'm thinking each temple DOMAIN starts with a package of available spells (i.e. the ETN would get defensive/healing spells, but the PSN might get some more weather-related spells) that immediately becomes available to the regent if his level is sufficient. And then the cleric can research more divine spells if he wants to.

I'm also thinking I'll allow spontaneous conversion of realm spells to cure army type spells OR Maybe differentiate that between gods/temples. Not sure yet.

Comments?

This is the cool potential to make domains more unique based upon their available realm spells; I like the prospect I think.

[X-Mhoried/Droene Kavarra (Iasonas)]

Clerics/paladins and spells:

I'm also thinking I'll allow spontaneous conversion of realm spells to cure army type spells OR Maybe differentiate that between gods/temples. Not sure yet.

Comments?

I would prefer differentiating between gods/temples. This would add some flavor to the game, IMHO.

[X-Osoerde (Alan)]

Clerics/paladins and spells:

I'm also thinking I'll allow spontaneous conversion of realm spells to cure army type spells OR Maybe differentiate that between gods/temples. Not sure yet.

Comments?

I would prefer differentiating between gods/temples. This would add some flavor to the game, IMHO.

The problem is that the cleric realm sepll domain list is pretty limited, and it would be difficult to make a significant enough of a difference, IMO.

[DM B]

Sorcerer/bard:

Automatically learns new spells as they go up in level (according to the known spells table). They can swap spells as described in the PHB AND use research actions to swap additional spells if they want to.

And of course sorcerers only prepare slots, not specific spells.

Comments.

Possible fix; sorcerers will not be able to utilize prepare realm spell as a realm action.

Anyway; remember that RP/GB is the real limiting factor when it comes to realm spells.

[X-Tornilen/SM (Alexander)]

Uh... ouch. I would personally much rather loose a few spell slots than loose the ability to prepare multiple spell slots at the same time.

Alternative: Drop the whole ability of sorcerers to prepare spell slots - It is very flexible and perhaps a bit overpowered. Again, loosing the ability to prepare multiple spell slots would cripple sorcerers, loosing the ability to prepare open slots... not so much.

Keep in mind the D&D methodology here - Sorcerers are identified by small spell selection and the ability to cast lots of spells... Removing the ability to prepare multiple spell slots would invalidate the last part.

A suggestion: Why have a distinction between sorcerous and wizardly Realm magic at all? It is clearly established that casting realm magic takes research and training - something sorcerers otherwise can ignore. Just make it all Arcane Realm Magic and let both Wizards and Sorcerers use the same rules - the ones the wizards use now.

EDIT: Removed typo... "Crupple" indeed.

[X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper)]

With my limited knowledge of RoE it sounds as an convinient fix; less rules to navigate between also which is by itself nice from my point of view 

[X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy)]

Given the relatively small number of realm spells, the difference between wizard and sorcerer is fairly slim anyway at domain level so 1 set to rule them all sounds best.

[X-Elinie/RiD (Niels)]

We should make a ring.

[X-Ilien & PCE/GeM (Linde)]

we should make many rings. But I should have the one to rule them all ^_^

[X-Osoerde (Alan)]

OMG - Can we please restrict all the OOC chatter to the OOC board? The threads get too cluttered otherwise.

[DM B]

Closed due to useless comments.

[DM B]

UPDATED version of Chapter 8 uploaded for review.

Its called...Chapter 8.doc

[DM B]

Clarification:

Temples as ley networks; the provinces traced through must have temple holdings of lvl 1 or higher (but the province from which the spell is cast can be lvl 0)

[X-MOC/Leman States (Even)]

Finally had time to look through the updated realm magic rules. Some comments:
- For realm spell research, a failed action does not cancel the previously successful actions? And once a number of actions is equal to spell level, it is gained automatically?
- I've never been too big a fan of the large number of feats required for realm magic, but with the overall reduction in characters' levels, would it be an option to reduce this to 3 feats or something along those lines? Or alternatively remove the Cast Realm Magic feat, and let characters who can cast ritual magic and have access to holdings are sufficient.
- Are there any bonuses to the Research action to learn realm spells, or is taking 10 just wasted?
- Are there any proposed spell lists for various gods/domains?

More later. And feel free to combine this with posting with the closed thread.

[DM B]

Finally had time to look through the updated realm magic rules. Some comments:
- For realm spell research, a failed action does not cancel the previously successful actions? And once a number of actions is equal to spell level, it is gained automatically?

More later. And feel free to combine this with posting with the closed thread.

One successful action/spell level is required and then you've learned the spell (sort of like construction). You can fail as many times as you want in between.