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Similarities between Birthiright setting and Song of Ice&Fire
« on: November 16, 2009, 07:50:37 AM »
Hi guys,

just a couple of thoughts I had in the last week-end.

Have you ever realized that:

1) Birthright's primary author in the foreword of BR's Boxed set tells he had written a book (never published) called "Kingslayer". Jaime Lannister, one of the main characters of the saga, is called "Kingslayer" for having killed the previous king, ending the king's line, beginning a process of disintegration of the Kingdom (just like when Michael Roele died the Empire fell down)

2) The seat of power is called "Iron Throne" in both settings

3) Anuire has many pretenders to the Iron Throne, and they fight against each other in endless wars, homicides and betrayals, just like in the books

4) Anuire has the powerful and mysterious awnsheghlien, Martin created the powerful and mysterious "Others"

5) Nobles have divine blood in BR. Some nobles house in the books are viewed as divine by common folks, expecially the Targaryen's that tried to preserve "pure" their blood, just like BR's noble house trying to improve or at least not to decrease the power of their bloodlines

6) Cerilia has a 17 years-cycle where winter grows longer and summer shorter and then summer longer and winter shorter. Just like Westeros (the main continent) of Song of Ice and Fire saga, but there is not a fixed duration

7) Symbol of House Roesone is a deer, just like the symbol of the Baratheon, royal House in Westeros. similarly Robert Baratheon is poisoned by his relatives, just like Daen Roesone

8) Ed Stark is one of BR's authors. One of the main characters of A game of Throne (the3 first Book of Martin's work) is Lord Eddard Stark

9) Azrai is the past evil god of BR. Azor-ahai is an ancient powerful being in Song of Ice and Fire

What do you think?

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Re: Similarities between Birthiright setting and Song of Ice&Fire
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 09:22:48 AM »
Hi guys,

just a couple of thoughts I had in the last week-end.

Have you ever realized that:

1) Birthright's primary author in the foreword of BR's Boxed set tells he had written a book (never published) called "Kingslayer". Jaime Lannister, one of the main characters of the saga, is called "Kingslayer" for having killed the previous king, ending the king's line, beginning a process of disintegration of the Kingdom (just like when Michael Roele died the Empire fell down)

2) The seat of power is called "Iron Throne" in both settings

3) Anuire has many pretenders to the Iron Throne, and they fight against each other in endless wars, homicides and betrayals, just like in the books

4) Anuire has the powerful and mysterious awnsheghlien, Martin created the powerful and mysterious "Others"

5) Nobles have divine blood in BR. Some nobles house in the books are viewed as divine by common folks, expecially the Targaryen's that tried to preserve "pure" their blood, just like BR's noble house trying to improve or at least not to decrease the power of their bloodlines

6) Cerilia has a 17 years-cycle where winter grows longer and summer shorter and then summer longer and winter shorter. Just like Westeros (the main continent) of Song of Ice and Fire saga, but there is not a fixed duration

7) Symbol of House Roesone is a deer, just like the symbol of the Baratheon, royal House in Westeros. similarly Robert Baratheon is poisoned by his relatives, just like Daen Roesone

8) Ed Stark is one of BR's authors. One of the main characters of A game of Throne (the3 first Book of Martin's work) is Lord Eddard Stark

9) Azrai is the past evil god of BR. Azor-ahai is an ancient powerful being in Song of Ice and Fire

What do you think?

Yeah, there are similarities. Perhaps a few more than you'd find comparing two other fantasy settings. I also like comparing BR to the midnight setting; I like to think that it portrays what would have been had Azrai won...

Regarding No. 6; that's not part of BR. It's RoE only. It's actually a tribute to Martin's books, since A Game of Thrones was one of the defining influences for an early BR campaign...
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Re: Similarities between Birthiright setting and Song of Ice&Fire
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 09:36:26 AM »
Hi guys,

just a couple of thoughts I had in the last week-end.

Have you ever realized that:

1) Birthright's primary author in the foreword of BR's Boxed set tells he had written a book (never published) called "Kingslayer". Jaime Lannister, one of the main characters of the saga, is called "Kingslayer" for having killed the previous king, ending the king's line, beginning a process of disintegration of the Kingdom (just like when Michael Roele died the Empire fell down)

2) The seat of power is called "Iron Throne" in both settings

3) Anuire has many pretenders to the Iron Throne, and they fight against each other in endless wars, homicides and betrayals, just like in the books

4) Anuire has the powerful and mysterious awnsheghlien, Martin created the powerful and mysterious "Others"

5) Nobles have divine blood in BR. Some nobles house in the books are viewed as divine by common folks, expecially the Targaryen's that tried to preserve "pure" their blood, just like BR's noble house trying to improve or at least not to decrease the power of their bloodlines

6) Cerilia has a 17 years-cycle where winter grows longer and summer shorter and then summer longer and winter shorter. Just like Westeros (the main continent) of Song of Ice and Fire saga, but there is not a fixed duration

7) Symbol of House Roesone is a deer, just like the symbol of the Baratheon, royal House in Westeros. similarly Robert Baratheon is poisoned by his relatives, just like Daen Roesone

8) Ed Stark is one of BR's authors. One of the main characters of A game of Throne (the3 first Book of Martin's work) is Lord Eddard Stark

9) Azrai is the past evil god of BR. Azor-ahai is an ancient powerful being in Song of Ice and Fire

What do you think?


Regarding No. 6; that's not part of BR. It's RoE only. It's actually a tribute to Martin's books, since A Game of Thrones was one of the defining influences for an early BR campaign...

Oh my...I must had mixed up BR canon materials and RoE canon materials... ;D

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Re: Similarities between Birthiright setting and Song of Ice&Fire
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 10:39:19 AM »
Which is a good think IMO  ;D
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Re: Similarities between Birthiright setting and Song of Ice&Fire
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 06:47:47 AM »
A very good thing... Cerilia and Westeros are my two favorite fantasy settings!  Hmmm.... by the way, when is that HBO (Showtime) series supposed to happen?
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Re: Similarities between Birthiright setting and Song of Ice&Fire
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 10:07:04 AM »
A very good thing... Cerilia and Westeros are my two favorite fantasy settings!  Hmmm.... by the way, when is that HBO (Showtime) series supposed to happen?

Sometime next year, according to IMDB.
And Jaime is going to be played by a dane (Nicolai Coster-Waldau) - I'm really looking forward to that.