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« on: June 22, 2009, 10:57:18 pm »
Hey just wondering something in other games I've played regents tend to tax the holdings in there land. You know just like a small 10 or 15 percent. Just wondering if that happens here too.

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Re: taxing
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 11:26:41 pm »
 This belongs in the Q&A section.
It does, taxes are drawn from all holdings in a province as well as the province itself. Taxation can be changed by a decree court action.
 It's main influence is on the prosperity of the province. You can see the current tax levels for your provinces in the Provinces & Holdings excell sheet. Only the province owner may change tax levels.

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Re: taxing
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 11:40:44 pm »
Yeah, if you ever wondered why your income in Ilien was so low, now you know :P

Taxing heavily as some may be prone to do, affects your stability as well. It may be ok to do to get some added revenue for war-efforts, but other than that, unless you really do not care about the populace, I think it is not recommended.

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As an afterthought I have wondered if it could be made possible to choose a different taxing, than that of the lands ruler. Perhaps not heavier taxation (that would be illegal in most cases), but if you wanted to reduce the amount of taxes your law-holding takes in in another rulers realm (say from Heavy Tax to medium or light), could that be done?
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Re: taxing
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 11:55:44 pm »
No, the province ruler sets the tax rate.

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Re: taxing
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 11:56:08 pm »
Taxation levels are determined by the collective Law holdings - the province ruler only has the power to determine taxation rates if he is also a law holder.  The same taxation rate applies to all law holdings (otherwise, the book-keeping would become an utter nightmare), but if for some reason you wanted to, you could attempt to change the taxation rate of that province with a decree.  You'd probably piss off the main law-holder/province owner, and you'd have to really work at it to make it happen, but at least the unwashed masses would like you. ;)

As a side-note, it's also possible to change how taxes are drawn from different holdings.  For example, Roesone has only taxes manors 50% as much as other holdings, and doesn't tax trade holdings at all.  This can be a valuable tool of diplomacy with your vassals and the various regents who operate in your domain.

Edit: Or I could be mistaken.

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Re: taxing
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 12:32:15 am »
From p. 57 of the Regent Guide:

Every landed regent decides a taxation level for each of his provinces. In itself the taxation level does not generate any income, but rather sets a limit to how much money can be collected by law holdings. A province with a high taxation level conceptually has a higher number of taxes and tariffs in effect; but it is the presence of law holdings in said province that allows collection.

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Re: taxing
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 07:25:02 am »
If a regent does want to change tax level in two provinces does this mean he has to use two court actions?

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 10:04:14 am »
Yes
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Re: taxing
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 10:29:19 am »
If you differentiate tax across holdings, what rate is used for counting prosperity impact?
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Re: taxing
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2009, 02:14:02 pm »
If you differentiate tax across holdings, what rate is used for counting prosperity impact?

The highest rate.
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Re: taxing
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2009, 02:21:05 pm »
"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

It has to be the highest rate or you could drop a tax rate in a single low province, for instance, to min max your results. So it is the Highest rate.
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Re: taxing
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2009, 07:10:38 pm »
Just read the action description; it should be clear enough when you can use 1 action to cover multiple provinces.
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Re: taxing
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2009, 12:07:59 am »
Given the prosperity impact, raising taxes can actually be counter productive when including the extra cost for each action in the province - particularly in smaller provinces, or ones where you have low law.  You wind up spending 2/4/6/etc extra RP (or 1/2/3/etc GB) on every action just to keep your chances the same.

Hate myself for saying it though I do, convincing your local temple to bless the province is probably more likely to bring in the cash, although you might need to share some of the gain (the law holder gets more income from all types of holding, the temple probably only gets it from one so tends to lose out).  Otherwise encourage your unlanded domains to fill up the land - offer to grant law advantages to rule / create actions, etc - for a province ruler an empty holding of any kind (barring sources) is an unproductive one - and while 'the main' domain in the area might not see the slot as a priority you get the same tax from joe shmoe 1-lousy-holding-only regent you still get the same tax from the slot, joe schmoe is also less likely to throw their weight around...

Incidentally, highest rate = prosperity hit encourages blanket rates, a weighted average by domain size would give a fairer result if more cumbersome - the P&H should be able to build in a formula reasonably easily, although thinking on it the 'favoritism' aspect might be negative in itself - and the gratitude never goes as far as the bitterness.
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Re: taxing
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2009, 03:51:25 am »
This is completely off-point, but one of my first actions in the game was to lower my tax rate. 
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