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: Wedding gifts
: X-Roesone/ARR (Robert) March 25, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
What is the "official custom" in Anuire regarding wedding gifts to one's liege, especially when it comes to vassals?
: Re: Wedding gifts
: DM B March 26, 2009, 08:14:31 AM
What do you mean exactly? The value of said gifts?
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Roesone/ARR (Robert) March 26, 2009, 12:05:47 PM
Whether they're supposed to give them and their value, yes.
: Re: Wedding gifts
: DM B March 26, 2009, 12:27:44 PM
Something in the vicinity of their seasonal tribute would be appropriate.
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper) March 26, 2009, 10:08:19 PM
Something in the vicinity of their seasonal tribute would be appropriate.

Meaning they effectively pay double tithe the seaon of the wedding or that they give no gifts as they pay tithe?
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Roesone/ARR (Robert) March 26, 2009, 10:11:47 PM
Hehe, it wouldn't be gifts if they only paid the tithe.. Besides, a ruler doesn't marry too often in his life, and if he did I think they'd let him know they already fulfilled their duty to "his" generation :)
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Elinie/RiD (Niels) March 26, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
What about regents giving gifts?

I'm still a litle peeved that it costs 1 GB to even give money, in addition, the action to do so costs 1 GB to even have (1 GB pr. court level), so before gift is transferred, you've already spent 2 GB on nothing!
: Re: Wedding gifts
: DM B March 26, 2009, 10:50:21 PM
What about regents giving gifts?

I'm still a litle peeved that it costs 1 GB to even give money, in addition, the action to do so costs 1 GB to even have (1 GB pr. court level), so before gift is transferred, you've already spent 2 GB on nothing!

It doesn't; grants have no base cost. 1Gb spent is 1 Gb given.
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) March 26, 2009, 11:11:16 PM
Why not give a 'RP' amount if it's just playing nice to someone? i.e. give less than a GB?  I expect that Robhan routinely gives charity to petitioners in copper and silver, gifts of sliver and gold to craftsmen and so on up the chain.

Also the DO seems to handle fractions of a GB easily, although you may come over as a cheapskate if they expected a full GB...
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Osoerde (Alan) March 26, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
Why not give a 'RP' amount if it's just playing nice to someone? i.e. give less than a GB?  I expect that Robhan routinely gives charity to petitioners in copper and silver, gifts of sliver and gold to craftsmen and so on up the chain.

Also the DO seems to handle fractions of a GB easily, although you may come over as a cheapskate if they expected a full GB...

A GB is an AWESOME amount of gold, something like 75,000+ silver or gold pieces.  Giving a little here or there, doesn't constitute a 'domain-level' effect in my mind. It is more of an RP thing.
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper) March 26, 2009, 11:22:06 PM
I thought 1 GB is worth something like 5k-10k gold pieces. Much less than the 75k Alan mentions
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: X-Ilien & PCE/GeM (Linde) March 26, 2009, 11:25:53 PM
Whom would recieve the wedding gift? Roesone and Tornilen or the regents. And if one of the realms then witch? GB's will be used by the regents at a domain level and as such no GB gift will ever be personal or saved and treasured by the happy couple.

I think it more apropiate to convert the GB's to personal wealth and give it as such. Perhaps in the form of paintings or statuettes.

one GB is 10.000 GP or 100.000 SP or 1.000.000 CP (Atleast that is how I have read it)

so a pile of 75.000+ mixed silver and gold coins would be possible.
[Edit to include the last line]
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Roesone/ARR (Robert) March 26, 2009, 11:28:15 PM
1GB = 5,000gp with purchasing power of 10,000 D&D gp so a Staff of Power would cost 21 GB, a Staff of Healing 2.7GB etc :)

If someone were actually selling that is :)
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Osoerde (Alan) March 26, 2009, 11:32:42 PM
1GB = 5,000gp with purchasing power of 10,000 D&D gp so a Staff of Power would cost 21 GB, a Staff of Healing 2.7GB etc :)

If someone were actually selling that is :)

But the normal denomination in RoE is sp, I think.  Hence 75,000+
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Ilien & PCE/GeM (Linde) March 26, 2009, 11:33:51 PM
what action would it be to give personal wealth?
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Osoerde (Alan) March 26, 2009, 11:40:09 PM
Finances [Court]
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Ilien & PCE/GeM (Linde) March 26, 2009, 11:41:54 PM
finances converts GB's to personal wealth.

Grant offers tribute of GB to other regent

what action offers tribute of personal wealth to other regent?
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Roesone/ARR (Robert) March 26, 2009, 11:46:46 PM
It seem to me that offering personal wealth wouldn't really require an action. Actions affect things on a domain level, so once you've conducted a finance action you've moved GB from a domain to a personal level which your regent can manipulate personally.

I.E. You convert 1 GB into 10,000 gp, then your regent buys an expensive painting or something and brings it with her to give it as a present.

Or so I see it :)
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: X-Mhoried/Droene Kavarra (Iasonas) March 26, 2009, 11:51:35 PM
It seem to me that offering personal wealth wouldn't really require an action. Actions affect things on a domain level, so once you've conducted a finance action you've moved GB from a domain to a personal level which your regent can manipulate personally.

I.E. You convert 1 GB into 10,000 gp, then your regent buys an expensive painting or something and brings it with her to give it as a present.

Or so I see it :)

Well, not all actions affect domains (for example, character actions like training or adventure). However sending personal gifts should not take a considerable part of a regent's time & effort. More like a free action I guess.. 
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Osoerde (Alan) March 27, 2009, 12:09:54 AM
finances converts GB's to personal wealth.

Grant offers tribute of GB to other regent

what action offers tribute of personal wealth to other regent?

Domain level game.  Send a nice little dispatch, describe what you are sending, send a GB and call it done?
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) March 27, 2009, 12:42:10 AM
Gifts on this level are often symbolic, or filled with historic significance, more than anything else.  Two once-enemies might give one another the blades their fathers wielded in battle against each other, or Queen Swordwraith give the Swordmage a staff cut from a great-tree deep in the Erebannien.  A minor holy item of Cuiracean or such.  Things like that.

There's also the opportunity to send a message at the same time.  An enemy of Roesone could send him the "gift" of a banner of his armies that had been captured and taken as a trophy a generation ago - technically a fine gift, but one that quietly mocks his abilities in battle.  There's almost endless possibilities if you're inventive ;)
: Re: Wedding gifts
: X-Roesone/ARR (Robert) March 27, 2009, 12:48:03 AM
Very good idea with the banners, Bobby..  :)

Unfortunately no one's ever captured one of ours ;)