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TP.net => The Great Beyond (OOC) => : X-Osoerde (Alan) March 24, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
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It's one of those rare autumn days you hear about but rarely get to experience. Summer is long gone, but the sun and the wind has decided to caress the world for just one more day. Framed not in the brilliant green of summer, but the dying colors of autumn brought to life again by a sun that seems to shine a lazy orange.
On this day, the 10th of Sehnir (OOC: The approximate equivalent of 1 November)...
November 1 - All Souls' Day or All Saints' Day
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OOC Damn. I forgot to go trick-or-treating last night.
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Well, the Queen certainly shouldn't have opened her door, sounds like she got a nasty trick :(
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Sounds like somebody went around Aerenwe and tricks were chosen instead of treats.
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Maybe the queen was handing out apples or homemade saltwater taffy.
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
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that went bad
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
And who would carry such order - the guards who betrayed you?
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
And who would carry such order - the guards who betrayed you?
I'm not quite under impression that this was a spontaneous NPC reaction.
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
And who would carry such order - the guards who betrayed you?
I'm not quite under impression that this was a spontaneous NPC reaction.
Agreed. But it still does not change my opinion that execution (of Ardai) was not an option. By the way, your 'loyal' vassal in Dhoenel refused to send but a single unit to aid - he cowardly fled to Elinie instead.
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
And who would carry such order - the guards who betrayed you?
I'm not quite under impression that this was a spontaneous NPC reaction.
Agreed. But it still does not change my opinion that execution (of Ardai) was not an option. By the way, your 'loyal' vassal in Dhoenel refused to send but a single unit to aid - he cowardly fled to Elinie instead.
It was not an option because TS wouldn't have done it.
Dhon lives in Elinie. His main holdings are there. His son was in Calrie, btw. Will be interesting to see if he was among the slain or among the traitors.
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
And who would carry such order - the guards who betrayed you?
That is one of those awkward questions, isn't it? This is why I've gotten increasing paranoid the longer I've played RoE. Makes me understand some of the kings in my British History class a lot better, frankly, when they had always seemed pretty kooky before...
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Should have executed the guy on a short notice.
And who would carry such order - the guards who betrayed you?
That is one of those awkward questions, isn't it? This is why I've gotten increasing paranoid the longer I've played RoE. Makes me understand some of the kings in my British History class a lot better, frankly, when they had always seemed pretty kooky before...
lol, and there I was thinking it was only me. I thought Bjorn was trying to develop my character as paranoid or something :)
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lol, and there I was thinking it was only me. I thought Bjorn was trying to develop my character as paranoid or something :)
Not paranoid enough, it sounds like. Athough normally one would expect that mind-controlling AND wrapping an enemy in chains would be enough to keep him from stabbing you...
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lol, and there I was thinking it was only me. I thought Bjorn was trying to develop my character as paranoid or something :)
Not paranoid enough, it sounds like. Athough normally one would expect that mind-controlling AND wrapping an enemy in chains would be enough to keep him from stabbing you...
We're as paranoid as we can afford to be. Had the queen survived, she would have transferred 0.8 GB and 2 RP to the next turn :D
Speaking of stabbing, no one said that she was stabbed by Ardai. Actually, no one said she was stabbed in the first place. ;)
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So she died of... what? Excessive waffle consumption? :o
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So she died of... what? Excessive waffle consumption? :o
There are many creative ways to kill someone, especially if someone is not wearing heavy armour. There's cutting, smashing, decapitation, shooting with an arrow or a bolt, etc.
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Boring! I prefer the waffle story. Wonder how much I'd need to pay the bards to have some songs written up it? :P
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Waffle consumption sounds most painfull. Note to myself, never take armor off...
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Stabbing. It involved stabbing. With the pointy end.
Who would do such a thing? A woman and a queen! I shudder at the thought.
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Waaaaaaaaaffllllllllllllllllllles......
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She was stabbed and then drowned in syrup for good measure.
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Hmm, guys, have you ever heard the phrase 'too many cooks spoil the broth'? How many factions are involved in this mess? What are the odds that the end result is 'everybody loses, some wake up confused with a surprise bill, some lose badly, some lose very badly?'
Hmm, temples 'temporarily assuming control to maintain order', nope, can't see anything going wrong with that, no-one would be churlish enough to suggest ulterior motives of a priest...
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What starts out as a simple "support an ally", suddenly gets all tricky :)
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I know, right?! That's how I feel!
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Well, what would you do or risk for family, hunh? :-*
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"Let us at least hope the Baron is not a fool. No, I doubt he would have survived as long being a fool."
Let's hope he is a fool. The queen is getting a little lonely up there. ;)
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It seems we are reenacting Story of RoE I. Invicible Osoerde taking out their neighbours one by one.
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::) isnt that very close to vanila BR? ...I belive I recall something like that, some usurper story and then onwards
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"Thank you, Haedan," Ramon broke the uneasy silence, "keep reporting what you hear." Roesonean commanders didn't care about informing him of any developments. To them, he was just a leader of auxiliaries which were part of their army. Still, they didn't go out of their way to hide information, which made it easy for his wardens moving around the camp to 'overhear' briefings and reports of Roesonean scouts.
Brilliant one :) And accurate - for some reason known only to Wardens themselves :)
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It seems we are reenacting Story of RoE I. Invicible Osoerde taking out their neighbours one by one.
Not that much like it. About the only similarity is hostility between Osoerde and Aerenwe. Past that, just about every aspect of this is different.
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::) isnt that very close to vanila BR? ...I belive I recall something like that, some usurper story and then onwards
Yeah, Osoerde always ends up replacing Ghoere as a bad guy great power. I have no idea why.
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Ser Silvestre is invited to dine with Marquis Isilviere - in the Marquis new castle accommodations...
Duchess Marlae and Baron Tristan are happily united in Caer Callin.
Partition of Poland?
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It seems we are reenacting Story of RoE I. Invicible Osoerde taking out their neighbours one by one.
Not that much like it. About the only similarity is hostility between Osoerde and Aerenwe. Past that, just about every aspect of this is different.
Elinie, Coeranys-Chimaeron, Aerenwe. Am I the only one seeing pattern here? Guess who is next.
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Elinie, Coeranys-Chimaeron, Aerenwe. Am I the only one seeing pattern here? Guess who is next.
Boeruine? ;)
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It seems we are reenacting Story of RoE I. Invicible Osoerde taking out their neighbours one by one.
Not that much like it. About the only similarity is hostility between Osoerde and Aerenwe. Past that, just about every aspect of this is different.
Elinie, Coeranys-Chimaeron, Aerenwe. Am I the only one seeing pattern here? Guess who is next.
If I've done my history homework well, I think Avanil should kick Osoer's ass next and then, instead of partitioning Osoerde, Avanil and their allies will leave it alone to prepare for yet another expansionist aggression.
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It seems we are reenacting Story of RoE I. Invicible Osoerde taking out their neighbours one by one.
Not that much like it. About the only similarity is hostility between Osoerde and Aerenwe. Past that, just about every aspect of this is different.
Elinie, Coeranys-Chimaeron, Aerenwe. Am I the only one seeing pattern here? Guess who is next.
Raenech didn't usually conclude peace treaties with the countries he went to war with that left those countries independent and with the same ruler as before the war. Aerenwe's obviously up for all manner of interpretation, but the war with Elinie this game doesn't fit the mold you're trying to apply to it.
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It seems we are reenacting Story of RoE I. Invicible Osoerde taking out their neighbours one by one.
Not that much like it. About the only similarity is hostility between Osoerde and Aerenwe. Past that, just about every aspect of this is different.
Elinie, Coeranys-Chimaeron, Aerenwe. Am I the only one seeing pattern here? Guess who is next.
Raenech didn't usually conclude peace treaties with the countries he went to war with that left those countries independent and with the same ruler as before the war. Aerenwe's obviously up for all manner of interpretation, but the war with Elinie this game doesn't fit the mold you're trying to apply to it.
Sure, the warmongers always have an explanation why their aggression isn't quite like the last one the history remembers. :P
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::) isnt that very close to vanila BR? ...I belive I recall something like that, some usurper story and then onwards
Yeah, Osoerde always ends up replacing Ghoere as a bad guy great power. I have no idea why.
Because you're located next to Osoerde, so it's more of a concern as a 'bad guy' to you than people far away? I imagine the (former) Countess of Ilien would have different opinions about Ghieste than you, for instance. Don't take personal viewpoints as universal moral truths.
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::) isnt that very close to vanila BR? ...I belive I recall something like that, some usurper story and then onwards
Yeah, Osoerde always ends up replacing Ghoere as a bad guy great power. I have no idea why.
Because you're located next to Osoerde, so it's more of a concern as a 'bad guy' to you than people far away? I imagine the (former) Countess of Ilien would have different opinions about Ghieste than you, for instance. Don't take personal viewpoints as universal moral truths.
It's more about the number of his peers Archduke of Osoerde, former and current, has invaded or intimidated into submission rather than the proximity to my domain, which forms the general opinion. Most of Anuire did unite to stop Raenech. It seems to be happening again, but it isn't over yet, and it might turn out to be a "Partition of Poland" as I already mentioned.
Also, my observation of Osoerde/Ghoere phenomenon is based on other games and Raenech's Osoerde in this one. Ghoere is long gone in the time of Osoer's Osoerde.
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::) isnt that very close to vanila BR? ...I belive I recall something like that, some usurper story and then onwards
Yeah, Osoerde always ends up replacing Ghoere as a bad guy great power. I have no idea why.
Because you're located next to Osoerde, so it's more of a concern as a 'bad guy' to you than people far away? I imagine the (former) Countess of Ilien would have different opinions about Ghieste than you, for instance. Don't take personal viewpoints as universal moral truths.
It's more about the number of his peers Archduke of Osoerde, former and current, has invaded or intimidated into submission rather than the proximity to my domain, which forms the general opinion. Most of Anuire did unite to stop Raenech. It seems to be happening again, but it isn't over yet, and it might turn out to be a "Partition of Poland" as I already mentioned.
Also, my observation of Osoerde/Ghoere phenomenon is based on other games and Raenech's Osoerde in this one. Ghoere is long gone in the time of Osoer's Osoerde.
Well, in vanilla BR, Raenech is a vicious tyrant who's actively selling his own subjects out to the Beliniks. He's the winner of "Most Villainous", as opposed to Ghoere's "Most Dangerous," which makes him very appealing to DMs.
My point about proximity is that Aerenwe's got every reason to have massive issues with Osoerde over the years, but a lot of the examples Linde is trotting out don't actually apply when you dig into them - but Aerenwe again has every reason to see them through the light of its own experiences with Osoerde. There were reasons - pretty good ones, on BOTH sides, due to some remarkable confusion on the players' parts - for the Elinie war, and when they got resolved through Diplomacy, the war ended. Coeranys and the Chimaeron are Osoerde's ALLIES, so I'm not sure why they're even in the list. Now Osoer is off fighting a Crusade against an Awnshegh (which, given how the last one turned out last game, seems a poor choice. Maybe history IS going to repeat itself in that area?). But what matters to the ETN and Aerenwe is A) what's happening in Aerenwe now, B) the basic fact that there was a war with Elinie, Aerenwe's friend, without regard for reasons, and C) Aerenwe's history with Osoerde. Local perspective - Osoerde is an expansionistic, war-mongering villain. Larger perspective - a lot more complicated.
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::) isnt that very close to vanila BR? ...I belive I recall something like that, some usurper story and then onwards
Yeah, Osoerde always ends up replacing Ghoere as a bad guy great power. I have no idea why.
Because you're located next to Osoerde, so it's more of a concern as a 'bad guy' to you than people far away? I imagine the (former) Countess of Ilien would have different opinions about Ghieste than you, for instance. Don't take personal viewpoints as universal moral truths.
It's more about the number of his peers Archduke of Osoerde, former and current, has invaded or intimidated into submission rather than the proximity to my domain, which forms the general opinion. Most of Anuire did unite to stop Raenech. It seems to be happening again, but it isn't over yet, and it might turn out to be a "Partition of Poland" as I already mentioned.
Also, my observation of Osoerde/Ghoere phenomenon is based on other games and Raenech's Osoerde in this one. Ghoere is long gone in the time of Osoer's Osoerde.
Well, in vanilla BR, Raenech is a vicious tyrant who's actively selling his own subjects out to the Beliniks. He's the winner of "Most Villainous", as opposed to Ghoere's "Most Dangerous," which makes him very appealing to DMs.
My point about proximity is that Aerenwe's got every reason to have massive issues with Osoerde over the years, but a lot of the examples Linde is trotting out don't actually apply when you dig into them - but Aerenwe again has every reason to see them through the light of its own experiences with Osoerde. There were reasons - pretty good ones, on BOTH sides, due to some remarkable confusion on the players' parts - for the Elinie war, and when they got resolved through Diplomacy, the war ended. Coeranys and the Chimaeron are Osoerde's ALLIES, so I'm not sure why they're even in the list. Now Osoer is off fighting a Crusade against an Awnshegh (which, given how the last one turned out last game, seems a poor choice. Maybe history IS going to repeat itself in that area?). But what matters to the ETN and Aerenwe is A) what's happening in Aerenwe now, B) the basic fact that there was a war with Elinie, Aerenwe's friend, without regard for reasons, and C) Aerenwe's history with Osoerde. Local perspective - Osoerde is an expansionistic, war-mongering villain. Larger perspective - a lot more complicated.
It's not a local perspective, it's a global opinion based on global IC knowledge, mostly from status reports and what is being posted on the forums. Osoerde invaded and subjugated Elinie. Just taking a look at the last several status reports is enough to realize that Baron of Coeranys might not be wholeheartedly feeling as Osoer's close ally. The crusade and Aerenewe are obvious.
It's not that I'm questioning reasons or roleplaying of characters in Osoerde. It's just that their IC knowledge as well as IC knowledge of our own characters about this situation isn't something that will shape global opinion about Osoer and his supporters.
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Pointless discussion mixing IC and OOC.