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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2009, 07:07:15 PM »
The last "clever tactic" the swordmage has up her sleeve is starting the fight with a Dispel Magic - removing whatever enchantments the Green Knight has on him. Other than that one, I am not going to use spell names or anything like that, it'll be all description - which also allows a certain creative license :D

Unfortunately all the smart strategies available to a high level sorcerer facing a high level melee specialist are very boring - the smart thing would be to cast fly and go 100 ft, then just start with the highest level evocation and keep going until there is only dust left. BORING.

Not gonna touch that, I'm going for a good old melee with a few special effects thrown in, which magic is good for :)
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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2009, 07:15:05 PM »
LOL, this is a completely messed up situation for poor Arvour. Won't say why at this time. Jon certainly knows ;D
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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2009, 07:15:16 PM »
I need you to describe which offensive spells you're using. Forum message will do fine.

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2009, 07:34:01 PM »
The last "clever tactic" the swordmage has up her sleeve is starting the fight with a Dispel Magic - removing whatever enchantments the Green Knight has on him. Other than that one, I am not going to use spell names or anything like that, it'll be all description - which also allows a certain creative license :D

Unfortunately all the smart strategies available to a high level sorcerer facing a high level melee specialist are very boring - the smart thing would be to cast fly and go 100 ft, then just start with the highest level evocation and keep going until there is only dust left. BORING.

Not gonna touch that, I'm going for a good old melee with a few special effects thrown in, which magic is good for :)

Except that BR magic has numerous limitations.

There are no 'fly' spells
There are no 'summon' spells (at least not the way they are used in normal d&d)
There is no invisbility.

Additionally 'Dispel Magic' only cancels only a single-effect.  It is a very common misperception that Dispel Magic, as an Area of Effect, can cancel more than on magical effect on a target creature/object.  It can not.

It runs through the magical effects, Highest Caster Level first, and once 1 effect is cancelled, Dispel magic is discharged with regards to that target.

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2009, 07:35:33 PM »
Good to know, I didn't know that... Thanks Gray.

Anything else on the magic front that should be said aforehand?

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2009, 07:37:19 PM »
Sorry to clarify.

It isn't BR magic, it is RoE BR Magic that has limitations.

I think there are other limitations which are in the FAQ (I will look for them and make a most).

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2009, 07:38:30 PM »
The last "clever tactic" the swordmage has up her sleeve is starting the fight with a Dispel Magic - removing whatever enchantments the Green Knight has on him. Other than that one, I am not going to use spell names or anything like that, it'll be all description - which also allows a certain creative license :D

Unfortunately all the smart strategies available to a high level sorcerer facing a high level melee specialist are very boring - the smart thing would be to cast fly and go 100 ft, then just start with the highest level evocation and keep going until there is only dust left. BORING.

Not gonna touch that, I'm going for a good old melee with a few special effects thrown in, which magic is good for :)

Except that BR magic has numerous limitations.

There are no 'fly' spells
There are no 'summon' spells (at least not the way they are used in normal d&d)
There is no invisbility.

Additionally 'Dispel Magic' only cancels only a single-effect.  It is a very common misperception that Dispel Magic, as an Area of Effect, can cancel more than on magical effect on a target creature/object.  It can not.

It runs through the magical effects, Highest Caster Level first, and once 1 effect is cancelled, Dispel magic is discharged with regards to that target.

Don't confuse the BR.net rules with RoE. There's some guidance on the following page:
http://roe.twilightpeaks.net/subpage12.html

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2009, 07:42:02 PM »
Ah, even better to know  ;D

This excerpt for example:

"Casting time for any teleportation type spell is increased to 1 minute (10 rounds) for short-range spells like dimension door and 10 minutes for long-range spells like teleport. Travel is near instantaneous in the former case, but in the later the transit time is about 1 hour per every 100 miles crossed."

"Invisibility gives you a +20 circumstance bonus to Hide. You’re pretty much invisible, but it won’t make you completely undetectable (like Bilbo in the Hobbit). The greater version of the spell makes you impossible to Spot (but not automatically silent) but it does end it you attack."

"Fly, overland flight (or similar spells) still works normally, but duration changes to Concentration/Maximum X (where X is the spells old duration). If the concentration is broken or the spell otherwise ends, the caster falls normally (he does not drift slowly to the ground)."

 I think that's really it. At least what's important for Alexander to know.

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2009, 07:48:16 PM »
My fault.  I knew it was something like this just hadn't found the rule.

The basic gist was that normal d&d magic rules don't really apply verbatim. 

Annoyingly, for the SM, Estevan is a Paladin, and has Divine Grace.  He probably has a respectable, if not phenomenal, CHA score.

PS: Using Mind-affecting magic, is probably a social stigma for Anuire.  Every time I have seen such in RoE, it has been attached with significant social stigma (except in the cases of clerics, not surprisingly).

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2009, 07:56:30 PM »
Well, no-one likes being messed with. If it's notices, yeah I'd guess it'd involve social stigma.

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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2009, 08:00:41 PM »
Well, the Swordmage is loaded up on a slew of defensive and enhancing spells, both divine and arcane: Bull's Strength, Bear's Endurance, Stoneskin, Haste, etc.

She has burned through everything she had of spell reserves, preparing for this fight.

Spells she's definitely going to use:
Dispel Magic
Lightning Bolt

Spells she might end up using:
Scorching Ray
Enervation
Glitterdust
Magic Missle
Mirror Image

And that's pretty much it... I'm planning on keeping this simple and sweet :)
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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2009, 08:26:37 PM »
The last "clever tactic" the swordmage has up her sleeve is starting the fight with a Dispel Magic - removing whatever enchantments the Green Knight has on him. Other than that one, I am not going to use spell names or anything like that, it'll be all description - which also allows a certain creative license :D

Unfortunately all the smart strategies available to a high level sorcerer facing a high level melee specialist are very boring - the smart thing would be to cast fly and go 100 ft, then just start with the highest level evocation and keep going until there is only dust left. BORING.

Not gonna touch that, I'm going for a good old melee with a few special effects thrown in, which magic is good for :)

Except that BR magic has numerous limitations.

There are no 'fly' spells
There are no 'summon' spells (at least not the way they are used in normal d&d)
There is no invisbility.

Additionally 'Dispel Magic' only cancels only a single-effect.  It is a very common misperception that Dispel Magic, as an Area of Effect, can cancel more than on magical effect on a target creature/object.  It can not.

It runs through the magical effects, Highest Caster Level first, and once 1 effect is cancelled, Dispel magic is discharged with regards to that target.

Why would the SM want to use the Area version fo Dispel when targeting a single character (the GK)?
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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2009, 09:38:41 PM »
Yup, quoted from the SRD:
Targeted Dispel: One object, creature, or spell is the target of the dispel magic spell. You make a dispel check (1d20 + your caster level, maximum +10) against the spell or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on the object or creature. The DC for this dispel check is 11 + the spell’s caster level. If you succeed on a particular check, that spell is dispelled; if you fail, that spell remains in effect.

So it can be used as a single target effect to remove all the effects on a target. Btw, my last post - too much narration or a good standard?
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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2009, 09:44:38 PM »
Aye it can; as an AoE spell it works as Gray pointed out, but targeted it works like you want it to  ;D

I like the narrative; maybe a little too much, but hey, we can live with that.
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Re: MIRROR - Dawn at the Cathedral of Cuiraécen
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2009, 09:51:17 PM »
So now I narrated a little, to show that the GK has a shield capable of spell turning...has combat expertise and can fight defensively...and so on.
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