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TP.net => The Great Beyond (OOC) => : X-Osoerde (Alan) March 16, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
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Hello All,
Just a general reminder -- a the closing week of the turn you should be trying to start/complete any of the following:
Diplomacy - You will want all diplomacy items to be concluded by the end of week because the terms/tenets MUST go into your DO. At this point, it is wise to contact those you have already made arranagement with and ensure that you and they are on the same page (for what is going into the DO tenets).
Interactive Adventures - Start them now or accept that they will be primarily DM Fiat.
Start them now or accept that they will be primarily DM Fiat.
Start them now or accept that they will be primarily DM Fiat.
Start them now or accept that they will be primarily DM Fiat.
Did you catch that?
Domain Order - Start Filling in your DO Now! By filling out your DO now, you can begin to get a better idea of what you still need to do, and what resources you need to commit, etc. Many veteran players at least have a DO outline, long before the turn ends, and it is often very helpful in framing the path towards your Domain Agendas.
Dispatches - Don't forget the power of a dispatch. If you can't get a diplomatic arrangement filled out, then try using a dispatch. They are awesomely powerful, and can at least buy you time to reach an appropiate arrangement.
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Domain Order - Start Filling in your DO Now! By filling out your DO now, you can begin to get a better idea of what you still need to do, and what resources you need to commit, etc. Many veteran players at least have a DO outline, long before the turn ends, and it is often very helpful in framing the path towards your Domain Agendas.
I'd extend this even further. Write up your draft DO for the coming turn as soon as you've got your last turn returned. It makes it a lot easier to know how many actions and resources you have to play around with if you have already written down all the ones you 'have' to do. If you know you only have a few court actions to spare, you'll have to think harder about accepting to go on that Adventure somebody suggests to you.
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Gosh no, why if I'd done that I wouldn't have had to trawl through a hundred emails and thread posts this morning to try and dredge out where I'd agreed what in time to submit today :-\
Sigh, live and learn, I meant to keep track as I went along and forgot - more fool me :-[
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And don't try to do anything too clever at the last minute, make sure you have the basics covered, especally the concept of what you are trying to achieve - it is more important to have this kind of detail than it is lovely flavour text so that the DM's can see what you wanted to do. They might even feel kind if your sheet has a couple of errors on it but they can see what you needed to do. :)
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I have mail pending to Bjørn before I can finish my DO. Mail sent some 5 hours ago so I realize I am a little late. However the possible requirement of a supporting adventure action to S&C was not planned by me and I want confirmation before I turn in my DO
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I have mail pending to Bjørn before I can finish my DO. Mail sent some 5 hours ago so I realize I am a little late. However the possible requirement of a supporting adventure action to S&C was not planned by me and I want confirmation before I turn in my DO
Turn it in, as you would like it to be, today. They will review it and get back to you if you have to change it. Its better to deliver, than to not.
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Which I intend comming midnight if I have gotten no reply before that :-)
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Done with the DO. Pending the wrath of the DMs should it turn out to be full of trash, I would say that it has been a bit less painful than last time. Call it the learning curve.
Between that and resume-polishing the Sunday is bust :)
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I believe I may have been a little ambitious with my DO :)
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My DO is 57 pages long... ::)
I really hope the next couple of turns are less strenous. 3 years of this level of activity is a little daunting. :)
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Niels as DM I would kill your domain before 3 years have passed if for nothing else to lessen the burden of work ;-)
I have just mailed mine. I had problems with my Gmail sending due to connection. I used my alternate hotmail
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My DO is 57 pages long... ::)
I really hope the next couple of turns are less strenous. 3 years of this level of activity is a little daunting. :)
Please, please tell me you're joking? I can't even envision that.
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I hope that's because there is a loooong block of very narrow (column-wise) treaty entries. It IS possible to include treaties below the boxes instead...
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And I thought my 19 pages without my fic written for it was bad....
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I hope that's because there is a loooong block of very narrow (column-wise) treaty entries. It IS possible to include treaties below the boxes instead...
Yup, it is. I might switch to embedded documents or something, or maybe internal linking...
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I've just added a section at the bottom of the DO, after the Notes section, marked Diplomatic Terms.
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Good man
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I merged my action and DM notes column to get more value out of the treaties, although I suppose it would have been easier to append at bottom...
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Mine went into the action details below the action table. Seemed to work okay. Also used different font for them to differentiate.
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Created new segment at the very bottom, for Treaties, To Be Ratified and Treaties, Active. Then made links between the treaty in the bottom and the corresponding action point in the list above.
This was doable by taking the Headline 3 and using inside the cell, this creates an anchor that can be linked to within the document. (I didn't know, so if it helps anyone else... :) )
Shaved 17 pages right off. Now its only 40! :o
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Mine is just 18 pages total. Which is quite a feat ???
Needless to say, I will keep it simpler next time. Lesson learned ;)
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Created new segment at the very bottom, for Treaties, To Be Ratified and Treaties, Active. Then made links between the treaty in the bottom and the corresponding action point in the list above.
This was doable by taking the Headline 3 and using inside the cell, this creates an anchor that can be linked to within the document. (I didn't know, so if it helps anyone else... :) )
Shaved 17 pages right off. Now its only 40! :o
Keep going on like this for two more turns, and you'll have a book to ship to an editor... :D
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I hope that's because there is a loooong block of very narrow (column-wise) treaty entries. It IS possible to include treaties below the boxes instead...
Yup, it is. I might switch to embedded documents or something, or maybe internal linking...
Not sure if it helps Bjorn/Jon, but I put a 3 part number x-ref in each 'action cell' - so the table cell just says what action, which province/realm, DDC - all the fluff is underneath.
Sigh, I still hit 24 though. At least it should be easily skimmed - I may try cutting down the court and free action fluff, that's 9-10 actions none of which is very important - looking at it I put a page and a half on moving troops on a DC 5 which is possibly excessive... I may cut out sections I don't use (ley lines, navy, holdings, other notes) that would cut it down a bit...
I'd personally like to put all actions at the top, at present regent+free+court+looey actions are all split up - a single table in order should reduce volume slightly...
I decided against pasting in 'Walking the Hills' which was my real introduction for Captain Raenwe - who I try and hire this season (modified DC 20, wish me luck) - at probably 10 pages or so I thought I might suffer divine vengeance so I just stuck in his NPC intro.
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It help; very easy to read.
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If it helps, I wouldn't mind doing the same... Provided I can learn, what to do ;)
Andy, could you give an example (not from your DO) of what you're talking about?
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Well, given that 2 of my actions are well known anyway S&C, Vampires, I'm happy to mail you the relevant chunk of my DO as OOC knowledge - frankly #3 will be visible too so its hardly secret. Remind me this evening if I haven't sent it over.
Edit:
Well, I cut out the juicy stuff, lots of little '<snip>' marks all over, but hopefully my DO should be coming over - my mail server had a fit though so let me know if it failed.
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I'd also appreciate a copy of the new improved DO!
Mine has pretty graphics in it but I doubt they actually help the DM's, just makes me feel better about the work I am producing :)
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Ok, if anybody is showcasing its DO, I did an Excel version for T62. I am curious to read whether the DMs find it handy or not.
At least as a player it was very handy :)
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Ok, if anybody is showcasing its DO, I did an Excel version for T62. I am curious to read whether the DMs find it handy or not.
At least as a player it was very handy :)
I am addicted to Excel... If DMs approve, I'm in teh market for your version. :)
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I also did an excel version for T62, but it has a lot of bugs (especially considering the massive information found in the Regents' Handbook that has to be incorporated). I used it for reference, however if the DMs allow it, I will be able to produce a working copy for everyone next week.
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I'm a huge Excel fan, and I was actually contemplating making an Excel DO before we started playing. Unfortunately the INSANE amount of work required for other things meant it had to be dropped.
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Hmm, an excel version would make x-ref's very easy - you could put each section on a separate page, or keep all the tables on page 1 and link to a different action on each page for fluff...
And of course pasting the P&H province line into another spreadsheet would be simple and help the DMs see who might be interested in your action.
I've dabbled in excel for ages, but am well behind most of you I'd guess - it took me a good day to figure out the P&H formula's. So I'd be very interested in an excel DO.
I may play with revising the DO tables in word, ideally you'd get all the income and expense in one table, I thought it had to be pretty fixed so that Bjorn & Jon could find things quickly, but if it's open season...
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A question - there was a fair number of the actions that I did not know the DCs for, diplomacy actions. I hope you guys are large enough to not let us hurt ourselves with influence - if we could take 10 already.
Not a big issue in my case, I really need to boost that court expenditure (should have done it last turn, ended up spending enough gold on diplomacy that I could have boosted my court to... 9 GB :P).
On that note, is court expenditure one of those actions that take effect immediately? Like when you change status of units?
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Your court cannot exceed your capital province level, in your case 5.
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Excerpt from pg 91. Regent's Guide:
"Set Court expenditure
You change your court expenditure.
Difficulty: DDC 5 + new expenditure
Check: On successful check court expenditure changes to match the new level."
So since a check is needed, the effect takes place in the next turn.
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Hmm... but change status also has a ddc :P
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And it too, takes effect the following turn. I.E. you retrieve your unit on reserve the turn after you've issued the order.
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This says the exact opposite:
http://roe.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?topic=527.0 (http://roe.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?topic=527.0)
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Oops, in the specific case of reserve - active/garrison the post says the same thing as Robert. However, the change from active to garrison (or vice versa) is instantaneous... Which sets a precedent that some actions are instantaneous. I see nothing in the action description that implies it isn't, especially since before the action you used to be able to change it every turn.
Not arguing one way or the other really, just looking for a clarification.
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I have an excel sheet for my DO mapping which is great.
I considered coding in all the action desciptions and what not into the DO as well.
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So we got the war for some, and some I'm sure will welcome a respite before 63, but the rest of us that don't have a life?
Do the DMs have time for me to continue my adventure maybe?
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So we got the war for some, and some I'm sure will welcome a respite before 63, but the rest of us that don't have a life?
Do the DMs have time for me to continue my adventure maybe?
Hmm, I expect that they are even busier than usual with DOs, email mountains and the like. And didn't you kill all the orogs already? ???
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so I stick to binding up loose treads then.
I'm sick home in bed, quickly getting better so I'm in the boring stage just before I go back to work, studies, responsibilities, friends, family, shopping, an all that exciting RL stuff.
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I still feel I was promised an excel sheet! ;D
Someone needs to post links to their stuff so we can start poking at it and make completely unwarrated complaints that this and that is not satisfactory!
Its the only way we can create ROE the Spreadsheet Game! :)
Seriously though, post linkys to your shit! Er, sheet!
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This is the sheet in compatibility mode. I am not sure whether it works properly. I cannot post the one I am working on, due to size limitations. However I can email it to anyone who wants it (~141kb.)
Enjoy!
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The sheet looks nice however it seems to have problems with the GB cost for level on army units.
[Edit to add solution]
This can however be fixed by editing:
Tables E52-E59 to 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 2
And
Tables E44-E47 All to 0.5
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I am having problems with the GB / RP choice for Army and Navy upkeep
I cant seem to change the choices that have already been made. And I can only choose GB where no choice have been made yet.
I can work around it by copy pasting cells with the correct form of payment but I am looking for a more viable fix... Can anyone help me? (Using OpenOffice.org 2.2)
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I am sending you an email of a more complete version (.xlsx). I hope it works for you. For example sometimes old office versions do not support many levels of IF sentences ( ???). I do not know why...
I hope the newest version works for you.
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Thanks I am looking forward to trying out the new version. ^_^
While all you other people are waiting for the new version you can update the one here to correctly show action expenses in gb by including this (+$'Court Actions'.D20) without the () to the formula in cell B15 in Main Info
(Reading mail now ^_^)
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Newer version uploaded... Should we carry this in a new thread, dedicated to the development of the spreadsheet?
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That sounds like a good idea. This deserves its own thread
(same error that was in Main info GB actions is also in Main Info RP actions)
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…the silence is screaming.
maybe a good time for Bards Tales I guess :-)
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...the silence is the DM processing various Heartlands domains...it's a good sign...
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Hmmm...anyone else with total expenses in the 125GB+ region? Someone is making too much money ::)
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Hmmm...anyone else with total expenses in the 125GB+ region? Someone is making too much money ::)
Almost. Mine is in the 125GB- region. So I am only a | away ( - + | = + ) ^_^
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One off. Seriously, one off. Bound to be. :D
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Hmmm...anyone else with total expenses in the 125GB+ region? Someone is making too much money ::)
Hmm, even my example only spent 80 - and that was with a big (failed) diplomacy action against the chamberlain, incidentally, for those unsure, the example was not from my DO... :D
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Please keep OoC chatter out of the Announcements forum.
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Errr, isn't this the OOC turn 62 thread, so the right place to put OOC chatter? Or did I miss something, like normal?
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I think he's referring to a post of mine in the announcements thread that he deleted. My apologies.
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Aye indeed, whereupon everyone else posted there... Sigh. ::) I guess a bit of OoCing never hurt anyone, but please keep it in the OoC mirror posts as much as possible.
We don't want the announcements to become too cluttered. Cheers
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Sorry Jon, I hope you will not clip me around the ear.
Just posting the simple sheet I used for my turn, as it replicates the Word format. I am not a programer and the only thing I know to do is play around with formulas and so. I will however cast a hungry look at the impressive one posted before.
Alas (for me) I feel that after our DM's annoucement it will not see the light again :'(
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I guess we can always use non standard DO (like excel worksheet) to avoid making the same tedious calculations again and again ...
Of course the "official" turn submission has to be on the standard DO. Excel is possibly an excellent help tool.
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Agree with with you. Considering the amount of work put in the game, DM-wise, it will be disgraceful not to agree to the request :)
Edit: Sorry to have put itin there. Just noticed the dedicated topic.
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Sorry Jon, I hope you will not clip me around the ear.
Just posting the simple sheet I used for my turn, as it replicates the Word format. I am not a programer and the only thing I know to do is play around with formulas and so. I will however cast a hungry look at the impressive one posted before.
Alas (for me) I feel that after our DM's annoucement it will not see the light again :'(
No worries mate. I was in a rotten mood back then... ::)
Keep up the good work with the .xls sheet. It could end up replacing the doc version in the long run, but I believe the gist of what Bjørn is saying, is whatever you send in, make certain that you send in a standard version as well. Otherwise it becomes difficult to get a quick overview of the DO's, if they're in umpteen different versions.
One version for all. That doesn't mean you aren't allowed to lobby for an .xls version. Especially if it's able to do alot of the calculations itself ;)
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Don't do anything to hurt your back worse, Bjorn. :'( Back injuries have a nasty tendency to not-quite-heal and leave weaknesses that'll turn up again further down the road to cause new injuries. The less you stress it, the better.
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Second that!
We all want you to last through out game and the sequel so take it real easy. We can wait.
rl benefits too from giving the back the time it need to get better
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First treatment today. Helped. New one Thursday. Called in sic the rest of the week.
Overall, improving and optimistic.
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That's good!
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Very good news! More good thoughts being sent for Bjorn's back :)
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Puny back!
Replace with steel girder! - Problem solved and you gain a great posture.
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First treatment today. Helped. New one Thursday. Called in sic the rest of the week.
Overall, improving and optimistic.
Spend that oil-money! It's nice to know that some of my taxes goes to the DM :-)
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very good news....
welcome back Bjorn