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TP.net => The Great Beyond (OOC) => : X-Ilien & PCE/GeM (Linde) January 09, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
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Arron (waving the letter supposedly written by Geraldine, in her own hand no less, wawing it and reading aloud the most damning passages): "Aye! Aye! And Aye!"
OOC: Can we know those most damning passages? It could be really interesting.
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A voice behind a curtain:
"I am the great and powerful wizard of Ozz Ilien!
Through smoke and mirrors an illusionary hand waves infront of Libor as the voice continues:
"Those are not the damning passages you are loooking for. Move along!"
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But I want them! I want, I want, I want! I have the right to know them. Really! If Idon't know I will not sleep. >:(
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If Bjron wants me to I'll post the text including the parts the Governor would have focused on - on another hand - what is the punishment for perjury in the Tribunal?
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"I am Cardinal Narvelon Diem-Avon, head of the Orthodox Imperial Temple of Haelyn. I come to the imperial city to claim the rightful seat on this tribunal as offered by the RCS.
Wohoo, Ilien is now the imperial city ^_^ That or Diem is either confused or in the wrong place.
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If Bjron wants me to I'll post the text including the parts the Governor would have focused on - on another hand - what is the punishment for perjury in the Tribunal?
You're allowed to scream passages from the letter if you will - or just show it to those that may care after you are done for the day.
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well, the show with the Pontiff's divine powers was great 8).
I honestly admit i'd like to know more... :P
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well, the show with the Pontiff's divine powers was great 8).
I honestly admit i'd like to know more... :P
That, my friends, is how heretics are born! :D
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Heretics are not born, heretics are made. And then burned.
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Anyone can be heretic...it's only a matter of points of views... ;)
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Anyone can be heretic...it's only a matter of points of views... ;)
Ohhhh now THAT sounds like blasphemy!
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Then come to Alamie conquer my land and put me on trial... :P
maybe am I another follower of TOG?
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Sorry the Governor operates solely upon the IGSTD Rule. (I Got Shit To Do)
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Then come to Alamie conquer my land and put me on trial... :P
maybe am I another follower of TOG?
8)
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Raise your hand if you think, Bjorn is having TOO much fun as the Pontiff.
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What's funny though is that the Pontiff has not revealed what they are.
Nor has he revealed if they are the person corrupted or a monster taking his place... Or whether that person is still in there and possibly could be saved.
Of course, killing is saving from certain points of view.
Also, these do not in any shape or form resemble anything that has ever been recorded in Elinie. Nope. Not at all.
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I know it is stupid for someone in my position... But I say better burn them now and ask questions later... They are pretty scary!
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What's funny though is that the Pontiff has not revealed what they are.
Nor has he revealed if they are the person corrupted or a monster taking his place... Or whether that person is still in there and possibly could be saved.
We want to know more! we want to know more! ;)
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I know it is stupid for someone in my position... But I say better burn them now and ask questions later... They are pretty scary!
Sounds like somebody knows more than he's letting on ;D
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I know it is stupid for someone in my position... But I say better burn them now and ask questions later... They are pretty scary!
Sounds like somebody knows more than he's letting on ;D
Uhm.. okay you got me there
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What's funny though is that the Pontiff has not revealed what they are.
Nor has he revealed if they are the person corrupted or a monster taking his place... Or whether that person is still in there and possibly could be saved.
Of course, killing is saving from certain points of view.
Also, these do not in any shape or form resemble anything that has ever been recorded in Elinie. Nope. Not at all.
The Pontiff has already implied that these things are less bodysnatchers and more doppelganger.
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The Pontiff has already implied that these things are less bodysnatchers and more doppelganger.
The Pontiff says a lot of things these days...
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And there is a chance that some of what he say might even be true
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And there is a chance that some of what he say might even be true
Oh Linde, you are a true comedian...
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And there is a chance that some of what he say might even be true
I am glad I don't need to unweave the truths from the various omissions, lies, and half-truths common amongst the clergy...
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Now that you're no longer adding to them, Prefect Royce? ::)
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And there is a chance that some of what he say might even be true
I am glad I don't need to unweave the truths from the various omissions, lies, and half-truths common amongst the clergy...
Oh, they are common worldwide. We have learnt it from landed regents ;)
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I think the clergy has the landed regents and nobility beaten by several lengths, and has for quite some time. :)
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I think the clergy has the landed regents and nobility beaten by several lengths, and has for quite some time. :)
Your only saying that to be nice.
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Your only saying that to be nice.
Hey, you're the ones who run that whole "give us your gold and the gods will smile upon ye!" scheme that people seem to gobble up with big dumb grins on their faces.
When I ask people to give me their gold, they just mutter about unfair taxes instead.
As long as I can take lessons from the local village-preacher on how to best dupe people into entrusting me with all their worldly possessions, you have the longer straw...
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Is the Tribunal over and done with? I'm confused, seeing as the Diem brothers are leaving...
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Nope. I believe they are stepping out while the mess is cleaned up before the Tribunal is reconvened.
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I have to say the introduction of dopplegangers is going to do wonders for the Governor's raging paranoia
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Yep, the tribunal is re-convening the following day. No doubt that will be an interesting experience for all. ;)
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I am much more intrigue by the elf that apparantly channels.
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I am much more intrigue by the elf that apparantly channels.
The PONTIFF did the channeling. No elves were involved.
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No elves were harmed during the exorcism of evil.
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No elves were harmed during the exorcism of evil.
No elves were harmed during this exorcism of evil. Generally of course harming the elves is the point of the exorcism.
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Venting:
I love the fact that GeM was convicted for doing too litle too late against ToG, when she were the first to publicly declare ToG heretics, and the first to use military force against ToG temples.
Next time I so much as hear a rumor that a temple might possibly be heretic the only prudent thing to do would be to burn it to the ground.
Just fustration... :P
All in all a very interesting trial though, so I am entertained
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One one witch was harmed during the tribunal, but she is feeling better now.
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Venting:
I love the fact that GeM was convicted for doing too litle too late against ToG, when she were the first to publicly declare ToG heretics, and the first to use military force against ToG temples.
Next time I so much as hear a rumor that a temple might possibly be heretic the only prudent thing to do would be to burn it to the ground.
Just fustration... :P
All in all a very interesting trial though, so I am entertained
...realistically...there was one one possible outcome for the tribunal (sorry :( )
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...realistically...there was one one possible outcome for the tribunal (sorry :( )
I thought it was touch and go for a while, but when the jury is made up of either your enemies or those loosely allied with your enemies- your probably going to get shafted.
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Taking a combination of the way the Pontiff was going about things and how the first day went, I was inclined to think Geraldine was going to come out of the whole affair weakened and with less influence/power, but alive. I'm still not convinced she will burn at the stake (or be beheaded) but things aren't looking as good as they were 24 hours ago that's for sure.
One slight possibility for hope is that the Pontiff will do something that will so outrage other regents attending that the tribunal falls apart - don't know what that might be though, perhaps personally moving to annex Ilien as his own personal domain instead of acknowledging Diemed's claim?
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Taking a combination of the way the Pontiff was going about things and how the first day went, I was inclined to think Geraldine was going to come out of the whole affair weakened and with less influence/power, but alive. I'm still not convinced she will burn at the stake (or be beheaded) but things aren't looking as good as they were 24 hours ago that's for sure.
One slight possibility for hope is that the Pontiff will do something that will so outrage other regents attending that the tribunal falls apart - don't know what that might be though, perhaps personally moving to annex Ilien as his own personal domain instead of acknowledging Diemed's claim?
Or wrapped up other realms to do the actually dirty work. Nonetheless, we may be witnessing the death kneels of the Conclave all the same... ;)
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Taking a combination of the way the Pontiff was going about things and how the first day went, I was inclined to think Geraldine was going to come out of the whole affair weakened and with less influence/power, but alive. I'm still not convinced she will burn at the stake (or be beheaded) but things aren't looking as good as they were 24 hours ago that's for sure.
One slight possibility for hope is that the Pontiff will do something that will so outrage other regents attending that the tribunal falls apart - don't know what that might be though, perhaps personally moving to annex Ilien as his own personal domain instead of acknowledging Diemed's claim?
Or wrapped up other realms to do the actually dirty work. Nonetheless, we may be witnessing the death kneels of the Conclave all the same... ;)
Oh I don't think the Arch Prelate will allow that to happen before he's got his chance at Anuirean loot ;D
The Conclave I believe will prove "too big to fail"
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Oh I don't think the Arch Prelate will allow that to happen before he's got his chance at Anuirean loot ;D
The Conclave I believe will prove "too big to fail"
Quite possible given that (from what I can tell) one of the Pontiff's biggest or most influential detractors is due to become the next pontiff very shortly. I suspect any dispute will be personalised rather than focusing on the pontifical office itself.
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The guardians of morality can only be trusted to be moral, when it is not to their own gain. To describe in any way the Tribunal, as an institution of peers, would be a direct lie.
Its a farce is what it is. :-)
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I fail to see, in Anuirean society, why it would be expected to be a trial of her peers?
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Venting:
I love the fact that GeM was convicted for doing too litle too late against ToG, when she were the first to publicly declare ToG heretics, and the first to use military force against ToG temples.
Next time I so much as hear a rumor that a temple might possibly be heretic the only prudent thing to do would be to burn it to the ground.
Just fustration... :P
A pity that Gerardine assumed that everyone knew that and didn't mention it in her defence - of course anything which undermines the Pontiff's victory by suggesting that he had help might not have been welcomed!
Politics will decide the verdict - that's never really been in doubt. I'd expect penance rather than the stake though, likely one which leaves IHH with a significant stake in the city! There has been condemnation of weakness, failing to take every possible step, but not of willing aiding and encouraging of Him. When you compare her failure to act with Diemed's alliance with the Red Wind in order to stop the Conclave from cleansing the city she almost looks innocent. ::)
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I am amused by how skewed some comments are on the trial. Hilarious.
It is also worth noting the Pontiff has not allowed any party to actually give evidence or ask proper questions. All very dubious. :)
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I am amused by how skewed some comments are on the trial. Hilarious.
It is also worth noting the Pontiff has not allowed any party to actually give evidence or ask proper questions. All very dubious. :)
The Pontiff chose the judges, the accusations, and all that remains is for us to see the verdicts that he chose as well - I would be amazed if they don't make clear than cleansing the city was the glorious victory crowning the magnificence of his Pontificate while leaving Ilien as an IHH stronghold ::)
To me the only real question is whether he leaves Geraldine in power (subject to a penance that he levies) or if he puts in his own puppet.
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The first item to remember with this is that these are NOT modern religions or religious groups. These folks, particularly the Haelynites among them, really believe that this world is secondary to the hereafter - that, yes, it IS better to die than to break faith with your god, and that a true believer must CERTAINLY die before leading others into sin and blasphemy. The more forgiving ones may understand that to fail to do so is a sign of weakness, not of outright EVIL, but it's still a failure on Geraldine's part to them.
Second, sure, politics are involved. With Diem in there, that'd be hard to avoid, but nothing in Anuire is decided without politics. That said, even the folks who aren't threatened by ILIEN are threatened by the OTG church. They have to step on it HARD to try to keep it from spreading, which means they need to publicly smack down anyone who's involved themselves with it to make a point. And, Linde, you may have been the first to publically declare them heretic, but the other regents didn't have them in their provinces. I can't speak for what's been happening from a first-person view, but from the outside the Countess's actions look very self-serving - she didn't act against the OTG until 1) she was safe to do so, proving (at least to a strong-believer priest) that she cared more for her own skin than her faith, and 2) that she was more concerned with bringing the temples in to try to ward off Diem when it became clear she couldn't do so herself than in doing The Right Thing.
Third, this Tribunal is clearly set up for multiple conflicting purposes. On the one hand, the selection of members must've been meant to satisfy a lot of irate people - why else would Archduke Diem and a Boer noble paladin from a thousand miles away be included on a panel judging questions of religious corruption?? On the other hand, the Pontiff has systematically pissed off as many members of that panel as possible, starting with ignoring, from what I hear, the judgement of the CoT, and proceeding to deny the panel's members any significant time to question Geraldine or witnesses, investigate evidence, or generally do much of anything except accept the judgements of unnamed IHH priests that he hands them. Given evidence that they probably don't feel they can trust and an (apparently) partisan Chairman who keeps pissing them off, it's not surprising that they'd err on the side of making sure a possibly-blasphemous Countess isn't left on the throne of one of the most powerful provinces in Anuire, is it? From their perspective, they lose nothing by convicting her falsely (and she'll surely be comforted and rewarded in the afterlife if she's innocent), but if they falsely clear her of charges, then they could have a disaster on their hands down the line.
All in all, while the Pontiff may have saved Ilien's bacon for the moment, I think the Countess would have been better served with a more 'proper' Tribunal - one given time to examine matters, to speak with her, to really judge her actions instead of simply Passing Judgement. Denying this group what they consider their proper respect and the time to make informed decisions only sets them up to grumpily vote for a bonfire then stalk away furiously. Sure, Diem would still vote for burning regardless, and the OIT is known for taking a damned hard line against things like this, but the RCS, given time to consider, is not an unfair group, the WIT would have listened to the evidence of their own eyes and ears much better than to Wallac's dog-and-pony-show, and neither Mordred nor the ETN seem inclined to burn Geraldine for the sake of safety even now.
I think, regardless, she'd have been forced to step down as regent, but I think she'd survive. Which I'm sure would be very preferable to her than the alternative.
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Well, I agree with much of what you say Bobby...
But if landed regents are ment to deal with churches that are not declared heretical by CoT, then the only way landed regents can make sure they are not faced with charges of herecy of the mind for acting too slowly, is to rid their land of all temples.
So I would argue that this is more a question of politics than a question of faith.
Personally I would have expected the pontiff to make a statement and a decree after his first visit in Ilien, and if swift resistance from Ilien against TOG was not the result, then the charges would stick.
What about landed regents who act against non heretical temples in their land?
Is SM a heretic for ridding her realm of HA?
Is RiD a heretic for creating a new temple?
And what about holding back important information in the fight against shadow and endangering the lifes of innocents?
Is IHH heretical for not telling of those shadowbeasts sooner?
Can the IHH prove that the beast was safely in custody, and no danger to the public while they transported it from Roesone to Ilien?
The CoT who are the authority on the area NEED to make a descission publicly known before they expect action from the landed regents. If not what is to stop them from interfeering any time they disagree with local politics with a charge of herecy of the mind for acting too slowly?
If the clergy simply believe that this world is seccond to the afterlife, and all rules in this world can be added retroactively to protect the afterlife, then they are a danger to temporal law and order, and should be dealt with accordingly by landed regents.
So I am actually glad we have had this "incident" in Ilien, for it allows us to explore some of the temple vs landed regent dynamics.
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To me the only real question is whether he leaves Geraldine in power (subject to a penance that he levies) or if he puts in his own puppet.
Only if he can keep a dead woman on the throne.
This isn't like a modern court where you are found guilty and then a punishment is decided, the punishment is known about in advance written in the book of laws and if found guilty it is applied.
Geraldine has been found guilty and will die.
What about landed regents who act against non heretical temples in their land?
Is SM a heretic for ridding her realm of HA?
Is RiD a heretic for creating a new temple?
No and maybe. Although if the SM used force then it'd be a touch and go matter and for RiD it all depends on the doctrine of the new church.
And what about holding back important information in the fight against shadow and endangering the lifes of innocents?
Is IHH heretical for not telling of those shadowbeasts sooner?
Can the IHH prove that the beast was safely in custody, and no danger to the public while they transported it from Roesone to Ilien?
Depends on their reasons and it doesn't really matter. The IHH doesn't need to prove anything on transporting.
As it is Geraldine is burning because the Tribunal is stacked with her enemies and their allies and people who are being pissed off by the Pontiff.
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Only if he can keep a dead woman on the throne.
This isn't like a modern court where you are found guilty and then a punishment is decided, the punishment is known about in advance written in the book of laws and if found guilty it is applied.
Geraldine has been found guilty and will die.
SM have been found guilty of herecy.... and she still lives, ruling her domain no less
The world isnt as black and white as you describe it
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Can I suggest we back off this now for a bit while we await resolution? The more it is talked about OOC the more it sounds like people are trying to sway the argument one way or the other, even if they are not and it will just get people's backs up OOC.
The meta game has to stop sometime.
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I agree, let this be over soon
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Only if he can keep a dead woman on the throne.
This isn't like a modern court where you are found guilty and then a punishment is decided, the punishment is known about in advance written in the book of laws and if found guilty it is applied.
Geraldine has been found guilty and will die.
SM have been found guilty of herecy.... and she still lives, ruling her domain no less
The world isnt as black and white as you describe it
The Swordmage wasn't exactly found guilty of heresy, she was once an adherent of Belinik and as such an openly proclaimed heretic, but went over to Cuiraecen and was redeemed through fighting the Eyeless One, at great danger to her life. That doesn't mean that she's well loved to this day though, but her realm is placed in a position where this was possible, in the cover of a lot of weak or troubled realms - caused by the collapse of Ghoere and the constant strife around her (Mhoried, Elinie and Osoerde have all been either fighting each other or wreathed in civil war - we're talking the last 10-20 years maybe...
AND she had an accomplice in Ghieste, who had no interest in seeing someone else take her place.
Ilien in comparison has none of these things. No allies, because Roesone is too busy internally and besides doesn't have that bad a relationship with Diemed. So it's easier for a temple to intervene in your case and try to get what they want. Don't think the temples wouldn't want to trash the Swordmage if they could (I personally was planning for it around the end of RoE I, use the Conclave to invade first Ghieste, then Tornilen and take out both rotten eggs up there.)
Now as for the matter of burning temples... Well I wouldn't want to say too much or too little, only that the temples would be fools if they were to make it common knowledge that you can burn their holdings and not suffer the consequences. The last to do it on a large scale was Iron King Raenech.
It's the constant balance between faith and noble, and the matter of the Patriarch making his own temple has as much to do with this as anything - it's only because of the relative weakness of the LPA that this has happened and the fact that noone cares to aid the LPA in their troubles currently. Apart from advancing their own interests obviously.
I'm answering several chains of thought in this one... And not so much the one I've actually quoted :) - let me just take a shot at that.
If the final verdict is guilty in some way (seeing as the WIT has just declared that the whole thing is close to a farce run as the Pontiff likes), then the Countess still has a chance to prove herself through action and be redeemed, but it requires a priest willing to vouch for her.
It happened with the Swordmage, it happened with the Warlock (and he's still an evil bastard, but I needed him against the EO :) and it happened with Iron King Raenech. None of them did it under pressure of death however, but because they saw the advantage of it. And that's where Geraldine's situation is different again - how can she show her willingness to redemption without everyone believing it a lie of necessity?
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it happened with the Warlock (and he's still an evil bastard, but I needed him against the EO :)
I apologise for the OOC intrusion but I felt really proud upon reading this comment 8)
Three cheers for poor old Regien!
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it happened with the Warlock (and he's still an evil bastard, but I needed him against the EO :)
I apologise for the OOC intrusion but I felt really proud upon reading this comment 8)
Three cheers for poor old Regien!
Three cheers indeed ;D
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I am kinda curious....
Where is el-Hadid? He is surely interested in the outcome of the PCE and ensuring that it can continue to provide for Djira.
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On a side note, I wonder how much law the IHH is about to get in Ilien...
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On a side note, I wonder how much law the IHH is about to get in Ilien...
I'd have to say that it all depends on what happens to Geraldine.
And I'd just written a big post laying out the 3-4 possible scenarios and then realised that I have a temple their and a participant in the tribunal. So it all seemed a little too much like metagaming and I deleted it.
Pity, it was a really nice piece of whatif work and logical conclusions.
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Bjørn: Is this stalling of the tribunal due to any specific reason (you want to complete it after DO's are handed in, for instance), or is it just for the perverted enjoyment of the DM? 8)
Edit: What's your story, morning glory.
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People aren't posting their votes/replies. Which is why I have to be somewhat forceful in trying to move forward. But people are still not posting.
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The ETN have stated that they're offline for the time being and have given instructions as to their votes. The OIT and Diem haven't, but it's a good bet that Diem at least want her judged on as many counts as he can. The OIT needs to take a more defined stance as you're currently considered to be voting with Diem in all things.
With an active WIT, I think we can move on without issue.
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He is in Djira i presume. And quite eager for the war to end so he can stop funding such a needless rebellion and get back to the more important task of rebuilding Djira.
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Does Rune think Morning Glory means what I think it means? ;-)
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Does Rune think Morning Glory means what I think it means? ;-)
From the musical "Bye Bye Birdie"?
Who knew Rune liked musicals.
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The ETN have stated that they're offline for the time being and have given instructions as to their votes.
Does this mean if I need to discuss tribunal issues with ETN I should email Bjorn?
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Does Rune think Morning Glory means what I think it means? ;-)
From the musical "Bye Bye Birdie"?
Who knew Rune liked musicals.
Are you telling me that Rune likes musical theatre? I wonder what his wife thinks of that...
And more commonly "what's the story morning glory" is the 2nd studio album of a band called Oasis :)
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The ETN have stated that they're offline for the time being and have given instructions as to their votes.
Does this mean if I need to discuss tribunal issues with ETN I should email Bjorn?
Was about to ask the same thing - planning on sending them a message tonight on another subject that's moderately important. Any idea how long he'll be out?
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The ETN have stated that they're offline for the time being and have given instructions as to their votes.
Does this mean if I need to discuss tribunal issues with ETN I should email Bjorn?
Send it to me, I'll answer it for them ;)
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The ETN have stated that they're offline for the time being and have given instructions as to their votes.
Does this mean if I need to discuss tribunal issues with ETN I should email Bjorn?
Not anymore. I was offline only for weekend and Im back now.
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The ETN have stated that they're offline for the time being and have given instructions as to their votes.
Does this mean if I need to discuss tribunal issues with ETN I should email Bjorn?
Not anymore. I was offline only for weekend and Im back now.
For the sake of the question in general... Players can, when it's apparent that they're going to be offline, give instructions to the DM's concerning what they will do in certain situations (usually only necessary in the case of forum based activity that requires regular participation). Other players can still dispatch the absent player, quite as usual, and maybe a DM will respond if the instructions have anything to do with the dispatch.
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Problem: Players have taken seats, but are not replying. Makes it hard to progress.
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Problem: Players have taken seats, but are not replying. Makes it hard to progress.
It's official; it's all Rune's fault. ;D
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Problem: Players have taken seats, but are not replying. Makes it hard to progress.
I feel your pain :(
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Problem: Players have taken seats, but are not replying. Makes it hard to progress.
It's official; it's all Rune's fault. ;D
It's nice to have it be official; usually I unofficially assume it is all Rune's fault...and I rarely seem to be wrong...;)
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Problem: Players have taken seats, but are not replying. Makes it hard to progress.
It's official; it's all Rune's fault. ;D
Yeah, clearly kicking the only remaining active player solves the issues at hand ::)
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HEY! I'm active...its just that, you know, no one I'm interacting with is that active atm :P
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Does Rune think Morning Glory means what I think it means? ;-)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=morning+glory
Problem: Players have taken seats, but are not replying. Makes it hard to progress.
Things may slow down now as well, with me taking the WIT seat and the fact the the time difference generally means that I get 1 post to respond to whatever you have put out the previous evening before I have to wait again.
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Primarily referring to the Diemans here...the part about the WIT is just the Pontiff showing (in his own peculiar way) who the boss is.
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Bjorn, Cardinal Delvaine, not Patriarch Coumain is the CJS representative present at the tribunal.
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Bjorn, Cardinal Delvaine, not Patriarch Coumain is the CJS representative present at the tribunal.
Sorry! Will remedy!
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I am still here,
But I am a bit lost... Did the ETN ask questions to Geraldine or her soul?.....
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I imagine they've cast on of the following spell on you:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/zoneOfTruth.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/discernLies.htm
Most likely discern lies... The ETN needs to define what they're doing, if it's something to do with the rules at least. Just read up on the spell and roll with it :)
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I imagine they've cast on of the following spell on you:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/zoneOfTruth.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/discernLies.htm
Most likely discern lies... The ETN needs to define what they're doing, if it's something to do with the rules at least. Just read up on the spell and roll with it :)
Heh, no need to read up on the spells, I only tell the truth anyway :P
It is just because she asks if shadow have touched me...... And since I am guilty of herecy of the mind, I would think that they have ruled that I am touched by shadow.... So to discern about my soul she would have to ask my soul that question directly.....
So I have tried to answer what I belive to be the intent of the question instead... Vaguely, in hopes of clarification.
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That's true I guess. The soul lies beyond the mind... So I guess they're doing something like true seeing or detect evil... Dunno really?
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That's true I guess. The soul lies beyond the mind... So I guess they're doing something like true seeing or detect evil... Dunno really?
Raise Dead!
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It's an illusion to make it look like el-Mesir actually has a soul!
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I imagine they've cast on of the following spell on you:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/zoneOfTruth.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/discernLies.htm
Most likely discern lies... The ETN needs to define what they're doing, if it's something to do with the rules at least. Just read up on the spell and roll with it :)
Something like that. Plus Maire tries to read Geraldine's aura/soul and detect any possible shadow taint. Not sure if it is in rules, but Nesirie has souls in her portfolio, so some fancy divination of that kind could be available. And for convenience, she makes it publicly visible.
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It's an illusion to make it look like el-Mesir actually has a soul!
Damn, you got me. Who told you? :)
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It's an illusion to make it look like el-Mesir actually has a soul!
What about throwing a rock at her? And see what happens? Could solve everything...
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Or throw her in the river. If she floats she's obviously guilty and needs to burn. :)
Hmm, I was going to say she's obviously a witch and therefore needs to burn but these days I find myself rather tolerant of witches ...
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(look people, we have a newbie here who doesn't fully appreciate what certain Governors can do with certain thrown objects)
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(look people, we have a newbie here who doesn't fully appreciate what certain Governors can do with certain thrown objects)
I got it covered. I did vouch for the guy after all - might as well get him in on the important insider-jokes. :D
Next on the agenda: explaining why Bobby should never be allowed near sharp objects. ;D
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On the contrary, Thor - my predilections make it EXTREMELY unlikely I'll hurt anyone with sharp objects of any kind. I'm the safest person here to hold them!
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Truth. You can't hold on to a blade to save your own life! :-)
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Alright, alright yes I through a rock at an extremely powerful and mysterious magical artifact. However let's be clear, the Governor only resorted to throwing rocks at it because all the priests and wizards in the party (you know, the people who should have an idea of what to do with it) just sat around looking at each other saying, "So what do you want to do now? - "I dunno, what do you want to do? - I dunno, should we do something with this thing we've trekked across miles of wilderness to see? - I dunno what do you think?"
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On the contrary, Thor - my predilections make it EXTREMELY unlikely I'll hurt anyone with sharp objects of any kind. I'm the safest person here to hold them!
I respectfully disagree. It is extremely unlikely you'll hurt anyone with sharp objects of any kind... intentionally. There's no saying what kind of hurt you could do by a minor slip at the wrong time and in the wrong place.
It's kinda along the same line of reasoning as when mothers tell their offspring not to run with scissors, actually.
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Alright, alright yes I through a rock at an extremely powerful and mysterious magical artifact. However let's be clear, the Governor only resorted to throwing rocks at it because all the priests and wizards in the party (you know, the people who should have an idea of what to do with it) just sat around looking at each other saying, "So what do you want to do now? - "I dunno, what do you want to do? - I dunno, should we do something with this thing we've trekked across miles of wilderness to see? - I dunno what do you think?"
So... basically you threw the rock out of boredom? :P
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So... basically you threw the rock out of boredom? :P
hmmm.... yeah now that I think of it that doesn't really make it sound any better does it? Though it was less boredom and more sarcasm.
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Shouldn't you guys be posting sarcastic comments of little substance in the main tribunal-thread? ::)
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Shouldn't you guys be posting sarcastic comments of little substance in the main tribunal-thread? ::)
Hell no! :o I no longer have a voting seat, and I specifically remember His Holiness John Gustafson saying something about tongues being cut out for speaking out of turn.
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Alright, alright yes I through a rock at an extremely powerful and mysterious magical artifact. However let's be clear, the Governor only resorted to throwing rocks at it because all the priests and wizards in the party (you know, the people who should have an idea of what to do with it) just sat around looking at each other saying, "So what do you want to do now? - "I dunno, what do you want to do? - I dunno, should we do something with this thing we've trekked across miles of wilderness to see? - I dunno what do you think?"
Hey! I know that movie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTWmrnPdgk&feature=related
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Alright, alright yes I through a rock at an extremely powerful and mysterious magical artifact. However let's be clear, the Governor only resorted to throwing rocks at it because all the priests and wizards in the party (you know, the people who should have an idea of what to do with it) just sat around looking at each other saying, "So what do you want to do now? - "I dunno, what do you want to do? - I dunno, should we do something with this thing we've trekked across miles of wilderness to see? - I dunno what do you think?"
And my 'dropped' swords were, in fact, the consequence of my taking on incredibly powerful beings charged with dark magic in hand-to-hand combat without regard for my own safety, so what's your point? :P If we go around including the actual FACTS and DETAILS of our adventures, we won't have anything to mock each other about!
In the meantime, Thor, isn't it about time YOU did some adventuring and racked up some embarrassing stories of your own? You're getting boring, otherwise. ::)
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Oh but Thorsten has *done* lots of adventuring but it was all in private... if you know what I mean... ;)
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I got it covered. I did vouch for the guy after all - might as well get him in on the important insider-jokes. :D
Next on the agenda: explaining why Bobby should never be allowed near sharp objects. ;D
I stand duly educated, thanks to Thorsten. And very amused. :D
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I have to say the introduction of dopplegangers is going to do wonders for the Governor's raging paranoia
Besides hindering our beloved Governors peace of mind the question is what will said introduction of dopplegangers do to the minds of the collective mind of Anuirean Nobility :D
Sofar I could not have hoped for anymore!
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I have to say the introduction of dopplegangers is going to do wonders for the Governor's raging paranoia
Besides hindering our beloved Governors peace of mind the question is what will said introduction of dopplegangers do to the minds of the collective mind of Anuirean Nobility :D
Sofar I could not have hoped for anymore!
Well, there could have been served cake, and the burning could have taken place outside... but aside from that, and the fact that it delayed my trial, I am pretty happy about how it went too ^_^
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Geraldine sits quietly and watch the members of the tribunal as they are about to cast their votes.
The virgin witch looks hopeful but nervous. Her chains almost silent as the first vote, concerning the state of her soul, is about to be cast.
The Governor's gaze has not shifted from Marie during the proceeding.
For her lack of???
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From where I am sitting I can see right down her shirt ;D
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From where I am sitting I can see right down her shirt ;D
Maybe is RoE II turning towards HardRoe II? :-[
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Somehow I expect, if we all strained really hard to hear, we would all be able to just catch the good and great Mr Toreas shouting the words "corrupt syphilitic whore!" and thumping the wall repeatedly in impotent rage.
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Somehow I expect, if we all strained really hard to hear, we would all be able to just catch the good and great Mr Toreas shouting the words "corrupt syphilitic whore!" and thumping the wall repeatedly in impotent rage.
That's just how he talks to his servants ;)
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Somehow I expect, if we all strained really hard to hear, we would all be able to just catch the good and great Mr Toreas shouting the words "corrupt syphilitic whore!" and thumping the wall repeatedly in impotent rage.
That's just how he talks to his servants ;)
Though supposedly not while thumping the wall??
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Somehow I expect, if we all strained really hard to hear, we would all be able to just catch the good and great Mr Toreas shouting the words "corrupt syphilitic whore!" and thumping the wall repeatedly in impotent rage.
That's just how he talks to his servants ;)
Though supposedly not while thumping the wall??
Rumor has it that he ofttimes thumps the walls with servants...
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(and that is the TRUE noble Anuirean spirit; watch and learn folks!)
Yeah and let me just say the Governor really appreciates it when TRUE nobles get all holier than thou with him....
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(and that is the TRUE noble Anuirean spirit; watch and learn folks!)
Yeah and let me just say the Governor really appreciates it when TRUE nobles get all holier than thou with him....
Right there he betrays his peasant spirit; he should be honored that a real noble would deign to speak to him...common-born provincial guilder filth that he is.
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...common-born provincial guilder filth that he is.
...isn't there such a duke?
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...common-born provincial guilder filth that he is.
...isn't there such a duke?
Not to real dukes ;D
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Right there he betrays his peasant spirit; he should be honored that a real noble would deign to speak to him...common-born provincial guilder filth that he is.
>:( mumble..mumble...kill...mumble...in your sleep...grumble
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Not to real dukes ;D
pulls out parchment, adds Haelyn's Aegis to "THE LIST"
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Not to real dukes ;D
pulls out parchment, adds Haelyn's Aegis to "THE LIST"
Hmm, I was referring to a neighbour, isn't the guv'nor descended from an appointed guy (presumably noble at the time) rather than the last man standing at voting time?
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There are some angry shouts in return, mostly having to do with sinners being forgiven...Drago Tanar, Marya Tanar, the Warlock, the list goes on...
At which point a calm and detached Ser Ryence remarks in the general direction of the shouters, that maybe the reason there continues to be so much trouble with sinners, is exactly that - that the list of those forgiven for their horrid deeds goes on and on, showing everyone how lenient and forgiving Anuire has become.
Ser Ryence seems to fit the bill for IHH's Knights: The pinnacle of the old Anuirean way of the knight, living in the past, unable to see that the rest of the world has abandoned nobility, honor, and chivalry. Perhaps added a bit of arrogance ;)
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Ser Ryence seems to fit the bill for IHH's Knights: The pinnacle of the old Anuirean way of the knight, living in the past, unable to see that the rest of the world has abandoned nobility, honor, and chivalry. Perhaps added a bit of arrogance ;)
It's not arrogance. That's just how people talk in Avanil - the haughtier you are, the more important you have to be :P