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: Turn Initiative?
: X-EOM/SS (Marco) January 07, 2009, 03:51:17 PM

Question:

province (3)

two law holders, both law holdings (1)

Both in the same turn try to rule their law holdings.

3 output possibile

1) None of them is succesful. no problems here. they'll try again the next turn

2) Only one of the tw is succesful. No problems here. The succesful one increases is law holding to 2

3) Both are succesful. What happens? who is going to really rule his holding, since there's only one level left?

Bjorn's will? Sarimie's smile? the first who had sent the DO? The one with the better result in the DDC?

or is some rule for turn initiative I've missed reading the Regent's Guide?

thanks

Marco

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-DM Jon January 07, 2009, 04:50:38 PM

Good question, It'll be interesting for me to see what secrets Bjørn's cooking around with behind your backs.

 I'd definitely say the one with the better DDC. In case of a tie, well I guess a tie happens. Neither rules the holding up a level.

 We don't use turn initiative as far as I know.

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-Medoere & RCS/KE (Thorsten) January 07, 2009, 05:01:24 PM

I've wondered about the "Refocus" action as well. How does that one work?

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-DM Jon January 07, 2009, 05:12:42 PM

Refocus is for war only. We do use initiative in war  8)

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-MOC/Leman States (Even) January 07, 2009, 06:47:47 PM

Not for me to say what the DMs do these days, but previously we used that when two regents successfully ruled the last holding level, the one with the highest margin of success gained the slot, but the other got a free contest action out of it. Success for both potentially resulting in no gain for either  ;D

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-Elinie/RiD (Niels) January 07, 2009, 06:54:35 PM

If both are at 2+, check their offensive pools to see who has more supporting their action...

Then eat it all until one remains standing. Assume that they use their pools to make it harder for the other, forcing the other to defend himself. - Naturally this might end with the "best" roll being needing an 18+, so effectively both fails and lots of money and regency has new owners. Mmm... Sweet.

Thats what I assumed would happen when you have the pools.

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-DM Jon January 07, 2009, 07:19:09 PM

Pools are only used against their counterpart. Offensive vs. defensive, not to reach the necessary DDC.

 In the example case you wouldn't really (necessarily) have anyone betting against you, so the offensive pool wouldn't "spring" into action.

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: DM B January 07, 2009, 08:10:32 PM

Read the regent guide.

There is no domain initiative.

Highest MoS wins.

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-EOM/SS (Marco) January 08, 2009, 07:35:59 AM

ok...

then the higher the winner...

Marco

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) January 08, 2009, 01:08:27 PM

To be sure it's clear, not the highest roll.  Read the guide for the details, but the Margin of Success is the difference between your roll plus all bonuses, and your DDC.  You want that to be higher.

Example: Your DDC for a Rule Holding action is 21, while your opponent's is a 23.  You roll a total of 24, while he rolls 25.  He got a higher roll, but his MoS is only 2 (25-23), whereas yours is 3 (24 - 21).  Congrats - you win!

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper) January 08, 2009, 08:31:21 PM

In case the lower MoS rolled a clean 20? Still loosing or winning by default due to having über amount of luck  ::)

: Re: Turn Initiative?
: X-MOC/Leman States (Even) January 08, 2009, 11:02:35 PM

A roll of 20 counts as 30.