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RoE General => The Sage (Questions & Answers) => : X-Elinie/RiD (Niels) March 15, 2010, 01:31:28 AM
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Yo!
Agitate, says:
When using agitate as a realm action the DDC increases by 1 per province affected. The increase in DDC applies equally to all affected provinces.
page 83 of the regent guide 3,5
My question:
Did it mean to say +1 per "additional" province affected? - Or does it really mean that adding 1 more province as a Realm action costs 5 more GB?
- 1 GB the obligatory court action pr. extra realm action part.
- 2 GB to offset +2 DDC on the original province
- 2 GB to offset the +2 DDC for the extra province
If its meant as a way to say "effectively Agitate is not meant to be used as a Realm action" its quite effective. But if its a typo, I'd be happy this turn.
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Realm action Agitate is quite good for provinces where A) the prosperity is neither good nor bad, B) you own sufficient holdings to get full Advantage, and C) no one will oppose you with Hardiness or Influence. It's entirely possible to Take 10 with two or three provinces at once, if they're appropriate.
Elinie isn't overly appropriate right now, unfortunately. Repairing that prosperity damage is going to take real effort. Such is the cost of an unsuccessful war.
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The cost increases seem a tad steep though.
An extra (equivalent) 5 GB for moving from 1 -> 2 provinces.
It would be an extra 9 GB to move from 2 -> 3 provinces.
An additional 11 GB to move from 3 -> 4 provinces.
Sort of makes a mockery of one of the temple regents standby threats against someone who is disrespectful of the faith, can't really afford to whip the faithful into a righteous frenzy at those costs.
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My point is that it's useful as a Realm action mainly if you have a large margin of success already. Once you get into spending GB to try and succeed, you shouldn't be doing more Realm aspects - use another action.
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+1 DDC for EACH province affected --> NOT for each EXTRA province affected
Same as for ALL realm actions
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Yes, I worked with that. Looks like we will have a proper party anyway, had to split up into actions, but still had some provinces that could be "realm agitated" due to nice juicy bonuses.
Tonight I'll be doing AA actions, might improve the odds further for one particular province.
Thanks guys!
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Yes, I worked with that. Looks like we will have a proper party anyway, had to split up into actions, but still had some provinces that could be "realm agitated" due to nice juicy bonuses.
Tonight I'll be doing AA actions, might improve the odds further for one particular province.
Thanks guys!
Which proves that the system works as intended...exactly the kind of result I was going for.
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Yes, I worked with that. Looks like we will have a proper party anyway, had to split up into actions, but still had some provinces that could be "realm agitated" due to nice juicy bonuses.
Tonight I'll be doing AA actions, might improve the odds further for one particular province.
Thanks guys!
Which proves that the system works as intended...exactly the kind of result I was going for.
Yes, yes. *grumble, grumble* ;D
Looking at it now, we really have alot of different "types" of actions.
If Advantage is allowed, that a huge modifier, making the DDC's a whole different ball game.
If Court is in it, then it also receives a modifier, albeit not as big (usually) but which, under the proper circumstances can be boosted significantly.
If Prosperity is in it, then having a mess on your hands is a real darn mess. Huge penalties possible here. Combined with Advantage though, it evens out. However, woe the province that is stripped bare of 50% of all holdings and cast into rebellion.
Some realm actions are not touched by Prosperity, when they affect the whole realm. In a few cases, this can be used to ones advantage, if the realm is hit hard by prosperity drops.
So many numbers to crunch. Yum, yum. :)
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v2.5+ of the DO template will have more support for number-crunching DDC/DAC. Should help a lot.
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If Prosperity is in it, then having a mess on your hands is a real darn mess. Huge penalties possible here. Combined with Advantage though, it evens out. However, woe the province that is stripped bare of 50% of all holdings and cast into rebellion.
Yeah... after the war in the last game, Bellam's prosperity had been hammered down to Rebellious. Getting it back to functionality was a horrendous task, and that was with just one province. But when you think about it, it SHOULD be. It just sucks to be the guy who has to do it.
So yeah - you have my sympathies. ;)
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The intention is that if your province becomes Rebellious it should be very difficult to get Prosperity back up. You need to make a REAL effort to get it up to a level that doesn't penalize your prosperity and then work on it some more.
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+1 DDC for EACH province affected --> NOT for each EXTRA province affected
Same as for ALL realm actions
Sorry to be thick, but:
(A)
2 provinces affected - +2 to the DDC of both actions?
3 provinces affected - +3 to the DDC of all three actions?
4 provinces affected - +4 to the DDC of all four actions?
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(B)
2 provinces affected - +1 to the DDC of both actions?
3 provinces affected - +1 to the DDC of all three actions?
or
(C)
2 provinces affected - +2 to the DDC of province 2?
3 provinces affected - +2 to the DDC of province 2, +3 to the DDC of province 3?
etc
I'd figured (A) so never really bothered with multiple province actions.
Hmm, very aware of the morale issues, Morcosoer is a mess. I recommend asking your friendly priest regent to agitate the round before you do anything in a low morale province, it raises morale a level automatically.
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Hmm, very aware of the morale issues, Morcosoer is a mess. I recommend asking your friendly priest regent to agitate the round before you do anything in a low morale province, it raises morale a level automatically.
Wut? - Automatic success?
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Thought A, this is RoE...
Niels: Bless the Holy Land causes a 1-season uplift in province level AND province morale.
Find someone who can cast Celestial blessing (and can afford to do so) and get +2 to level and morale.
A way of misleading someone regarding your intentions as a priest, is to bless a random province to imply that you intend to carryout an action in the province the next season...
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Bless the Holy Land throughout Elinie would make things a lot easier. The bonus to prosperity results in easier DDCs on actions.
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Keep in mind how temporary prosperity boosts work.
Agitate only takes the actual prosperity. So if you had +/- 1 prosperity before the bless spell, you would still have a DDC of 11+province level and no bonus to DAC regardless - prosperity modifiers affect DDC only and both positive and negative prosperity makes the DDC higher. DDC is 10 + province level + |actual prosperity modifier|.
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Keep in mind how temporary prosperity boosts work.
Agitate only takes the actual prosperity. So if you had +/- 1 prosperity before the bless spell, you would still have a DDC of 11+province level and no bonus to DAC regardless - prosperity modifiers affect DDC only and both positive and negative prosperity makes the DDC higher. DDC is 10 + province level + |actual prosperity modifier|.
As far as I know, the temporary bonus to prosperity DOES affect the DAC of actions. This is part of their power and the reason why they are good to have.
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Of actions in general, yes, but not for Agitate. If they did, they would actually make it harder to agitate in many cases, as any prosperity above or below 7 makes it harder. It's very useful for contest, rule, etc. For agitate, however, it makes no difference.
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For Agitate, as far as I'm aware, it DOES impact. It makes it harder or easier, and it can cause the province to take higher prosperity losses if the prosperity gets up into the upper end. It's entirely possible to cast Bless on a province and, the next turn, wind up with a lower prosperity than you started with. Regardless of the source of the happiness, the people there ARE happy. It just won't last.
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I have confirmation of the opposite from Bjørn. Agitate works from the "permanent" prosperity, excluding enhancement bonuses (bless, demagogue, grant: festival, etc). I have been looking into this quite a bit, so I asked Bjørn about it, in depth, a few turns back. It's not really clear from a reading of the rules though.
However, this has also been mentioned in the Regent Guide thread on agitate and Bjørn said he was doing a write-up of agitate again, so I think we should shelve this here. I imagine it will clear up the confusion :)
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Well crap. I call shenanigans!
I hope Bjørn agrees, that since the rules are unclear, it falls to the advantage of the player. :)
Otherwise I am so screwed on my take 10's. :(
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Well crap. I call shenanigans!
I hope Bjørn agrees, that since the rules are unclear, it falls to the advantage of the player. :)
Otherwise I am so screwed on my take 10's. :(
Meh, you'll still have 50:50 or so - and don't forget advantage from your local temples...
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You really think I would overlook a possible bonus? :)
And 50:50 vs. Take 10 is a really big hit to success rate...
C'est la vie.