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RoE General => The Sage (Questions & Answers) => : X-DM Jon January 06, 2009, 02:28:59 PM

: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 06, 2009, 02:28:59 PM
After having looked through a couple of your DO's I'm running into a couple of repeat issues.

 First and foremost: Remember to include the DDC calculation in the action description, it helps yourself and it helps us!

 Second: Remember to do the dirty work and fill out your province and holding list at the bottom of the DO. This also saves your DM's alot of times. AND remember to keep it updated each turn!


Lesser matters:
 Quite a few of you enter your regent action description in the able assistance action description. This isn't a bad idea at all, but please rename it to regent action description and copy paste another for your able assistance action description.

 Remember to use all (!) your aa's. Even if it's just training. Advisors/hirelings can either ply trade or advise you. Henchmen can do 1 character action for you. Lieuts can do 1 character action for you - in addition to the bonus action you gain for having one or more lieuts.

 A character action can be spent to gain a competence modifier (+2) for one of your regent actions. It has to be described and make sense though. No character action can assist in creating a ley line, but you can support most other actions with a bit of flair and fluff.

 Remember to use all your court actions - or lower your court cost (note however that lowering it below 5 will give you penalties on a couple of court actions and you can't have more advisor/hirelings than your court cost.)

 I'll add more as I remember it.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-MOC/Leman States (Even) January 06, 2009, 02:58:29 PM
Second: Remember to do the dirty work and fill out your province and holding list at the bottom of the DO. This also saves your DM's alot of times. AND remember to keep it updated each turn!

Isn't that what the P&H is for?!? I got about 30 holdings, and a matching 30 provinces with the holdings in. What purpouse does the players copying the spreadsheet (possibly erroneously) serve?
: Re: Making your DO
: X-Endier & KoH/GdN (Joe) January 06, 2009, 03:19:24 PM
Would it be helpful at all if I resent my domain orders with the DDC and modifiers in them?
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 06, 2009, 03:20:31 PM
Second: Remember to do the dirty work and fill out your province and holding list at the bottom of the DO. This also saves your DM's alot of times. AND remember to keep it updated each turn!

Isn't that what the P&H is for?!? I got about 30 holdings, and a matching 30 provinces with the holdings in. What purpouse does the players copying the spreadsheet (possibly erroneously) serve?

 It saves the DM's the work of jumping incessantly back and forth between DO & P&H. Errors will always pop up, but if we aid one another, they can be kept to a minimum. Get to work!
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 06, 2009, 03:21:11 PM
Would it be helpful at all if I resent my domain orders with the DDC and modifiers in them?

 Please do, I'm looking through all the DO's today and sending answers back with my notes. I'll obviously go for the newest version.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-EOM/SS (Marco) January 07, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
After having looked through a couple of your DO's I'm running into a couple of repeat issues.

 First and foremost: Remember to include the DDC calculation in the action description, it helps yourself and it helps us!

 



In my DO I've put, for every action, only the final DDC after having calculated all bonus and penalties. Was I correct?

Marco
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 07, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
Second: Remember to do the dirty work and fill out your province and holding list at the bottom of the DO. This also saves your DM's alot of times. AND remember to keep it updated each turn!

Isn't that what the P&H is for?!? I got about 30 holdings, and a matching 30 provinces with the holdings in. What purpouse does the players copying the spreadsheet (possibly erroneously) serve?

 It saves the DM's the work of jumping incessantly back and forth between DO & P&H. Errors will always pop up, but if we aid one another, they can be kept to a minimum. Get to work!

 Obviously I'm kidding to a certain extent. I want you to enter all your holdings from the start of the game, since it gives you a clear overview of the holdings and provinces you're dealing with -and helps give me an overview, since I'm not prone to jumping around the P&H.
 If you wish to keep them updated is really your own choice.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 07, 2009, 11:08:57 AM
After having looked through a couple of your DO's I'm running into a couple of repeat issues.

 First and foremost: Remember to include the DDC calculation in the action description, it helps yourself and it helps us!

 



In my DO I've put, for every action, only the final DDC after having calculated all bonus and penalties. Was I correct?

Marco

 You must have been one of the early deliveries then  ;D, I'll send you a comment sheet today. And yeah, please enter the DDC calculation so it's easy to see what effects you're counting into the total.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-EOM/SS (Marco) January 07, 2009, 11:20:17 AM
ok...

i'll modify my DO then after your comments
: Re: Making your DO
: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) January 07, 2009, 10:41:21 PM
Hmm, I converted the P&H to show my holdings only - albeit on a single page not several.  Presumably that would be no help on the flicking front.

Would it be better just to say the relevant holdings levels in the DC calc?  Most of my domain won't feature in any given turn as it is all over the place and errors will creep in incessantly.

One easy solution would be to 'port the relevant lines of P&H into the word file - possibly the relevant lines under each action description.  It would be fairly easy to do this as long as we didn't need to retain income formulae.

Sigh, I didn't know who was a henchman, who was a looey, etc so pretty much ignored all of the minions.  I'll figure it out eventually.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 08, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
You still have time to resubmit and I still need to check the last DO's  ;)
: Re: Making your DO
: X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper) January 08, 2009, 08:25:47 AM
I have constuctions I do not know where exactly is placed or if I even have them. I have others I am currently building but do not know where is being build nor how progess is. I have chosen to ignore them all together untill the time where I have those data
: Re: Making your DO
: DM B January 08, 2009, 08:30:38 AM
Remember that this is the very first start-and-learn-the-game turn. It doesn't have to be really good. The important thing is handing it in, and hopefully learning something in the process.
: Re: Making your DO
: DM B January 08, 2009, 12:53:10 PM
Here a few general tips (thing I'd do if I played):

I'd focus on diplomacy with my natural allies, getting to know them.
I'd deal with event that crop up in the SR.
I'd keep things simple.

Game-mechanically I'd focus on improving prosperity across the board. Agitation, rule law (I'd even consider taking 20 to get that last law level in my high-level provinces), agreements with other law holders to max my resistance to prosperity loss, getting those bless lands going. In a year prosperity should be much better, and most realms will gain a 1 point improvement in stability as well.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper) January 08, 2009, 08:29:28 PM
Remember that this is the very first start-and-learn-the-game turn. It doesn't have to be really good. The important thing is handing it in, and hopefully learning something in the process.

That is true - it is a long game and as a newbie I believe I have allready learnt a lot - some from veterans, some from getting DO back in my face from Jon and some just for the effort made by myself  :)
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon January 08, 2009, 11:50:39 PM
Remember that this is the very first start-and-learn-the-game turn. It doesn't have to be really good. The important thing is handing it in, and hopefully learning something in the process.

That is true - it is a long game and as a newbie I believe I have allready learnt a lot - some from veterans, some from getting DO back in my face from Jon and some just for the effort made by myself  :)

 In your face! Yeah! Ah, the joys of learning. I kid you not... There were rules I didn't know after three years of play...
: Re: Making your DO
: DM B January 09, 2009, 09:21:39 AM
That's what I've been trying to say - don't try to get it all perfect the first time. Just make sure you hand in you DO and that it includes a few simple actions like rule, contest or agitate.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon February 11, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Second: Remember to do the dirty work and fill out your province and holding list at the bottom of the DO. This also saves your DM's alot of times. AND remember to keep it updated each turn!

Isn't that what the P&H is for?!? I got about 30 holdings, and a matching 30 provinces with the holdings in. What purpouse does the players copying the spreadsheet (possibly erroneously) serve?

 It saves the DM's the work of jumping incessantly back and forth between DO & P&H. Errors will always pop up, but if we aid one another, they can be kept to a minimum. Get to work!

 Obviously I'm kidding to a certain extent. I want you to enter all your holdings from the start of the game, since it gives you a clear overview of the holdings and provinces you're dealing with -and helps give me an overview, since I'm not prone to jumping around the P&H.
 If you wish to keep them updated is really your own choice.


 Ok, now that I've begun the arduous work of seeing whether your economies check out, I'm no longer in a kidding mood. For those of you who don't want to enter your provinces and holdings in your DO's, I demand that you at least enter the total no. of provinces and holdings, so I can see that your domain expense is correct.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) February 11, 2009, 07:24:10 PM
I included the provinces and holdings relevant to my actions, but not my entire domain.  If it would help, I can go through some time tonight and put the complete set together, which you could then just copy into my DO.  Let me know.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon February 11, 2009, 07:32:02 PM
Nah, I just need you to enter the total (and keep it updated) so it's easy for me to see if your domain expense checks out.

 Next turn is fine.

 An Example expenses could be:

Domain:
4.0 (43) GB
: Re: Making your DO
: X-DM Jon February 13, 2009, 02:21:59 PM
Well well, whatayaknow... There's actually a "domain upkeep" segment of the P&H.
 Looks like everything's covered then, never mind my former demand.
: Re: Making your DO
: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) February 13, 2009, 08:16:43 PM
The domain upkeep inclusion in the DO keeps it a complete package - adding the number of holding levels is easy, it was the 20-40 lines needed for each holding that would have been bound to go wrong.