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TP.net => The Great Beyond (OOC) => : X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) May 22, 2009, 04:05:25 PM
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I could not find a mirror for this topic.
The battle is now in Coere right? With a cavalry forces going north into Taliern and beyond ?
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The battle was at the pass of Barisen, with a small Boer force besieged in Coere.
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Quite a display of martial might. Something like 80+ units in the Avan and allied army (including those detached)
Less than half is Avanil units so the Prince is probably real happy now.
And the army has a legendary unit of Avanil knights!
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Quite a display of martial might. Something like 80+ units in the Avan and allied army (including those detached)
Less than half is Avanil units so the Prince is probably real happy now.
And the army has a legendary unit of Avanil knights!
Perhaps it's impressive on paper... but I still need to see the damage from the meat-grinder of a hill, before I am happy :P
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Yeah, I think we might be looking a little "Ragged" round the edges at the very least after that mess...
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Ouch... 6 units brought to the fight, 1 Elite and 2 Veteran now gone, and another veteran broken. I think it safe to say that Medoere took the brunt of that fight, with Endier as a runner up. :-\
Weeeell at the least it'll reduce my upkeep. :-*
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Seeing as it was the Endier units and Enlien that won the day it should not be surprising that the heaviest losses were there...also look at the knights of Diemed and Avanil...poor men, didn't know what ogres hit them :)
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Ouch - 3 units destroyed and nothing better for my lot than weary..... with far too many broken and exhausteds....
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And what were you expecting? Attacking uphill inf vs. inf with relatively equal numbers and capabilities. Tactical options beyond push and kill were very limited...
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Indeed. I think I was just crossing my fingers and praying for the best possible outcome :P
I got to up it a notch in this one, it seems. :D (I Looove playing war... got my sketchboard out to make more maps)
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Well yes, up hill was always going to be an issue :)
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Indeed. I think I was just crossing my fingers and praying for the best possible outcome :P
I got to up it a notch in this one, it seems. :D (I Looove playing war... got my sketchboard out to make more maps)
Dont hesistate sharing some of those maps with us on the side line :)
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I am not happy about sending Exhausted troops in the first line... but I'm hoping that the other side has the same problem :P
*starts praying*
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Yes praying would be most needed as you have no cavalry in reserve and Boer's flag is not visible :P
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I am not happy about sending Exhausted troops in the first line... but I'm hoping that the other side has the same problem :P
*starts praying*
Some proper prayers (aka Heal Army) would sort out the problem. 8)
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Yes praying would be most needed as you have no cavalry in reserve and Boer's flag is not visible :P
There's NO reserve, whatsoever... Exhausted units don't really count :P
And Even, you're welcome to conduct any number of such prayers on my behalf. No, really... I would be a happy happy man if you would :P
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The charge of the Ghorien Brigade is about the nearest we have to a reserve! :D
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Yes praying would be most needed as you have no cavalry in reserve and Boer's flag is not visible :P
There's NO reserve, whatsoever... Exhausted units don't really count :P
And Even, you're welcome to conduct any number of such prayers on my behalf. No, really... I would be a happy happy man if you would :P
I'm sure you have your own acolytes to sort out your problemsn. Or complain to the Archprelate. It's really more his neck of the woods.
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Aye, a local temple can heal a goodly number of your troops in a jiffy. If they have a holding presence that is - and a cure army spell prepared.
The enemy will certainly make use of these things, so don't forget your friendly neighbourhood temple ;)
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The NIT and the WIT are most certainly NOT involved in this war.
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The armies clash together...
And Thorsten craps his pants... Argh the suspense! :D
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You ain't the only one!
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DM is eating pasta...
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DM is eating pasta...
Great... Now you've got me nervous AND hungry... :D
I think I'll go grab something to eat too... food > war (at least in my world)
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I have my lollipop to keep me comforted!
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I have my lollipop to keep me comforted!
... A sentence I would never expected to hear from a grown man. And one that conjures up some images I think I'd rather be without. ::)
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I have my lollipop to keep me comforted!
... A sentence I would never expected to hear from a grown man. And one that conjures up some images I think I'd rather be without. ::)
Ever consider the posibility that you're gay? ;D
I mean you DO play the perfect paladin, that is pretty gay :P
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I work at what was not too long ago a shiny start up. This means we have a fusball table, a ping pong table, magnetic letters stuck all over the place and a lollipop machine. Quite often people will go and get all their team a lollipop.
We are mad here and it helps :)
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Ever consider the posibility that you're gay? ;D
I mean you DO play the perfect paladin, that is pretty gay :P
Baah... I'll have to get Kaven some kids soon, to prove you wrong there.
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Well yes, us unmarried men have to be careful in order to avoid such a tardy reputation.
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Well yes, us unmarried men have to be careful in order to avoid such a tardy reputation.
Hmm, if having no kids = gay, then I'm pretty damn gay... >:(
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Ever consider the posibility that you're gay? ;D
I mean you DO play the perfect paladin, that is pretty gay :P
Baah... I'll have to get Kaven some kids soon, to prove you wrong there.
Yesss... And have your pure paladin noticed the comment on a certain soon to be unmarried princess?
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Well yes, us unmarried men have to be careful in order to avoid such a tardy reputation.
... says the man suckling on his lollipop.
Yesss... And have your pure paladin noticed the comment on a certain soon to be unmarried princess?
Kaven wouldn't dare to think in those lanes. That's how much of a paladin he is. (Do NOT switch the word paladin with gay! :P)
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Yesss... And have your pure paladin noticed the comment on a certain soon to be unmarried princess?
Hands off Her! She is mine! Honest!
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Well yes, us unmarried men have to be careful in order to avoid such a tardy reputation.
... says the man suckling on his lollipop.
Yesss... And have your pure paladin noticed the comment on a certain soon to be unmarried princess?
Kaven wouldn't dare to think in those lanes. That's how much of a paladin he is. (Do NOT switch the word paladin with gay! :P)
Dude... That's totally paladin.
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Dude... That's totally paladin.
He's got you there!
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Kaven would very much like to place an order on a personal anti-magic field, right about now. :D
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One that also works against huge-sized weapons?
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Kaven has a moment of clarity - this is what the enemy wizard has been waiting for all along; for Aubrae to reveal her presence. Undoubtedly the giants have only one target - her!
Crap.
One that also works against huge-sized weapons?
Yes please? Maybe turns those huge-sized weapons on their wielders?
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Will a unit of fresh lancers count? :)
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Will a unit of fresh lancers count? :)
Hopefully...
A pox on chivalry! Why couldn't Aubrae be a man? (Not in the gay sense, Jon... not in the gay sense!)
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Will a unit of fresh lancers count? :)
Hopefully...
A pox on chivalry! Why couldn't Aubrae be a man? (Not in the gay sense, Jon... not in the gay sense!)
Too late now, you said it...
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A pox on chivalry! Why couldn't Aubrae be a paladin?
Fixed.
On another note, any bets on which bodypart(s) Kaven will lose next?
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Head?
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Will a unit of fresh lancers count? :)
Two units
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Head?
Head. But not lose, just have it smashed down into his chest.
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Head?! I do NOT want to visualize how Kaven would loose his head to a huge flail.
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A pox on chivalry! Why couldn't Aubrae be a paladin?
Fixed.
On another note, any bets on which bodypart(s) Kaven will lose next?
Oh oh oh! I know that one! All of it! Squish!
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NPC Wizards are amusing! Why are so many of them so damn cool?
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Kaven would very much like to place an order on a personal anti-magic field, right about now. :D
How about ordering the full package and get an army sized one? That wizard sure kicked major ass
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Switch "amusing" with "royal pain in the arse", and you've got it spot on Alan. ;)
I'd settle for one to protect Kaven first, and then the rest of the army later. He's at the front of the battle anyway :)
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The NPCs are actually trying out some of the nice new spell descriptions...
Aubrae caused a bit of fear and also incited a little battle fever, though her third spell got canceled by Kaven (saving her head).
Mr Innis has used Aim of the Master Archer + a high lvl summon spell (the giants) + a big-bara-boom spell + one very foggy spell.
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I think if you ask Thorsten their may be a balance issue with the new spells lol!
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Thorsten - that description of the charge was excellent! Real blood churning :)
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Indeed it was; should give at the very least +2 advantage for description :-)
Maelcolms description of his state also gives quite a nice picture of the mess he is in
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Thorsten - that description of the charge was excellent! Real blood churning :)
Why thank you... to be honest, all the nice descriptions you guys are making (Maelcom's among those, he gives a nice impression of his predicament), are inspiring me to try harder. It's my hope that by inspiring each other, we can raise ourselves to "the next level" (where there's marshmellows for everyone, I hear). :D
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Bloody Hell, you miscreants have managed to destroy half of Endier's army.
Next time I will have to come myself to see to my men's well-being.
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Think of the GB's saved for the decreased upkeep and check your liege-vasal treaty for when Diemed can demand substitutes to take the fallens place :(
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Wait, I have a treaty with Diemed?
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Certainly, you're their vassals.
The treaty demands you pay a certain amount each season, transfer some of your RP and otherwise support your liege with armed forces in case of war. It's the standard vassalage deal.
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Bloody Hell, you miscreants have managed to destroy half of Endier's army.
Next time I will have to come myself to see to my men's well-being.
Now that raises all sorts of theological issues, I wonder what would happen if Brandon complained to the Conclave about partisanship? We might have to ask the Pontiff to pray for guidance, oh wait.... ;)
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Looking at the updated damage; while the forces might not be ready for battle, there was relatively few units destroyed. A few turns of R&R and they will be ready to fight again, wiser from their recent experiences.
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When reading my descriptions of battles you'll have to take into account that I'm adding color. So when the giants charge the wing, its a colorful scene, but even with their power attack ability they can't do THAT much damage. And throwing rocks through the mist...that was mostly flavor etc.
Actually this was a far less damaging battle (for both sides) than was the Hill attack, which cost the Avanese/Dieman side a lot of dead an injured.
Besides a unit that is broken has suffered many casualties and will need almost a year of doing nothing before it's battle-ready again...
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On that notion, what is your stance on merging broken units to recover 1 unit faster?
Fx if you have two units of Broken Veteran Armsmen, would you be ok with merging them to have 1 unit of Veteran Armsmen with an appropriate cohesion left? - Fx the sum of the two.
In some situations, such as an ongoing war, merging might be more attractive, even if you do "lose" a unit doing it.
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I've thought about that. I'm still not certain what I'd prefer.
My suggestion would be that it's a possible answer, but the unit would first of have to be from the same nation (ie. no mixing Roesonians and Avaneese) and also loose a random amount of experience, as people not used to fighting together, are suddenly crammed in the same unit.
(Random as I wouldn't say one entire level of experience, but rather the possibility of being reduced from veteran to skilled by this manouver... perhaps a DC(?) roll like when activating reserves in one action?)
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That is not possible. You cannot merge units.
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To clarify:
2 broken units do not one whole unit make...
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To clarify:
2 broken units do not one whole unit make...
I think what Niels was suggesting was: 2 Broken units = 1 Exhausted unit. Or 1 Broken + 1 Exhausted = 1 Weary unit etc.
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Lol... These battles are on such a massive scale, that I am employing several aspects to get a grip with it all... and even then it is obvious that I miss some major elements from time to time.
Above my pc I just now used a whiteboard to draw a map of Taeghas, Avanil, Brosengae and the southern part of Boeruine. With magnetic labels I now have the position of every (known) troop movement in the war (Brandon pulled a fast one, once more... and here I was wondering if I'd have a shipload of Boeruines land on the south coast). ::)
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Terrific job its much appreciated - afterall you're defending us all ;D
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Terrific job its much appreciated - afterall you're defending us all ;D
I'm pretty sure most of the north west of Anuire would disagree...
In my mind, I picture Brandon Boer reading reports from the last battles. When done, he'll turn to his generals and demand to know why, when taking position on the hill, they had not thought to check the background of enemy commanders and their previous experience with suicidal runs uphill against fortified positions at the break of first light.
He'll then order his archers to shoot at blond-haired paladins at the outset of every battle, to avoid such obviously stupid acts of heroic self-sacrifice in the future, as nothing good could ever come from leading by example in such a way (it's just uncivilized you know). ::)
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Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder. The east has never really cared much for the Boer-Avan conflict. It's too far away. The Heartlands has always looked to both with unease, seeing as their wars often spill over. Diem used his alliance with Avan to build a strong army able to defeat both Guilder Kalien of Endier and Suris Enlien of Medoere.
One thing is certain, if one defeats the other - and does so soundly - then Anuire could be looking at it's next emperor.
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Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder. The east has never really cared much for the Boer-Avan conflict. It's too far away. The Heartlands has always looked to both with unease, seeing as their wars often spill over. Diem used his alliance with Avan to build a strong army able to defeat both Guilder Kalien of Endier and Suris Enlien of Medoere.
One thing is certain, if one defeats the other - and does so soundly - then Anuire could be looking at it's next emperor.
With the current casualty list (and if they look in any way similar on the other side), the next emperor will be anyone who finds themselves in a strong enough position to invade *both* Avanil and Boeruine when this war is over... by the looks of it, there won't be that much of a standing army to defend either.
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*whistles innocently in the background while twiddling his thumbs*
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*whistles innocently in the background while twiddling his thumbs*
In your dreams! And quite a few people's nightmares... :P
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When figuring how much damage the Boer army has taken you need to think abouth the following:
The fought two battles (both won) before YOU started fighting them
They were described as taking LESS (enough to be noticeable) damage than you during the hill battle.
They also took less damage during the Carr battle.
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*whistles innocently in the background while twiddling his thumbs*
In your dreams! And quite a few people's nightmares... :P
Hey, let a player have his dreams! Now if only I had asked to have that as an agenda :)
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When figuring how much damage the Boer army has taken you need to think abouth the following:
The fought two battles (both won) before YOU started fighting them
They were described as taking LESS (enough to be noticeable) damage than you during the hill battle.
They also took less damage during the Carr battle.
Yeah... that's why I think we're more or less even now, what with reinforcements from Carrida and all. :)
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Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder. The east has never really cared much for the Boer-Avan conflict. It's too far away. The Heartlands has always looked to both with unease, seeing as their wars often spill over. Diem used his alliance with Avan to build a strong army able to defeat both Guilder Kalien of Endier and Suris Enlien of Medoere.
It never actually came to war between Diemed and Endier. Count Kalien came to his senses and bent his knee before the most reasonable Duke Diem. It was all thanks to to Cardinal Briesen actually. For once the OIT did something that REALLY helped Diemed ;D
Sorry for going entirely off topic, but oh the sweet memories. 8)
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Terrific job its much appreciated - afterall you're defending us all ;D
I'm pretty sure most of the north west of Anuire would disagree...
In my mind, I picture Brandon Boer reading reports from the last battles. When done, he'll turn to his generals and demand to know why, when taking position on the hill, they had not thought to check the background of enemy commanders and their previous experience with suicidal runs uphill against fortified positions at the break of first light.
He'll then order his archers to shoot at blond-haired paladins at the outset of every battle, to avoid such obviously stupid acts of heroic self-sacrifice in the future, as nothing good could ever come from leading by example in such a way (it's just uncivilized you know). ::)
Thorsten this was purely from an OoC point of viev - no players are represented on the Boer side (as far as I know) - IHH certainly dont intend to take any sides in this conflict and plan to steer clear of it by all means. While we are at it general plan for IHH is not to get caught up in conflicts between sovereigns
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Terrific job its much appreciated - afterall you're defending us all ;D
I'm pretty sure most of the north west of Anuire would disagree...
In my mind, I picture Brandon Boer reading reports from the last battles. When done, he'll turn to his generals and demand to know why, when taking position on the hill, they had not thought to check the background of enemy commanders and their previous experience with suicidal runs uphill against fortified positions at the break of first light.
He'll then order his archers to shoot at blond-haired paladins at the outset of every battle, to avoid such obviously stupid acts of heroic self-sacrifice in the future, as nothing good could ever come from leading by example in such a way (it's just uncivilized you know). ::)
Thorsten this was purely from an OoC point of viev - no players are represented on the Boer side (as far as I know) - IHH certainly dont intend to take any sides in this conflict and plan to steer clear of it by all means. While we are at it general plan for IHH is not to get caught up in conflicts between sovereigns
I know, I know... that's why we're in the ooc-section :P
I just couldn't help but swing jab in your direction :D
On a side note, Tuornen lost her husband in the war, so some players have assets among Boeruine's assets it seems :P
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Outriders:
Merc Officer Dael Nichaleir (Commander)
Lion Outriders 2nd Ghieste Mercs E
Outriders Diemed Mercs E
Dragoons Vet Diemed W
Dragoons Diemed Mercs E
You know it's been a rough day in the office when most of the forces sent out are Exhausted. Poor Mercs probably think they're being sent to another meat grinder at this stage. ;D
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They hired on to what could only be an extended conflict they will expect it after all.
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Outriders:
Merc Officer Dael Nichaleir (Commander)
Lion Outriders 2nd Ghieste Mercs E
Outriders Diemed Mercs E
Dragoons Vet Diemed W
Dragoons Diemed Mercs E
You know it's been a rough day in the office when most of the forces sent out are Exhausted. Poor Mercs probably think they're being sent to another meat grinder at this stage. ;D
Poor mercs are suffering morale penalties...
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Hmm, very cost effective I'd say, send them out to soak up the giants and spells, save on the upkeep and don't lose anyone with a mother back home...
Of course future hires might get a bit tricky.
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Contact point 26.7 f:
Will there be giants? If so, pay is double for that season...
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Hmm, very cost effective I'd say, send them out to soak up the giants and spells, save on the upkeep and don't lose anyone with a mother back home...
Of course future hires might get a bit tricky.
No worries there, I won't be able to afford mercs for a loooong time... so by then it'll be like their childrens children, and all this will be long forgotten :P
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Contact point 26.7 f:
Will there be giants? If so, pay is double for that season...
Be careful with those olde-style maps - delete any mention of 'here there be dragons'...
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Damn ogres must be tough... either that or I severely miscalculated the enemies forces in Marilen.
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Did they just slaughter 15 of your units?
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Did they just slaughter 15 of your units?
Yeah... including 2 crack armsmen units at full (to my knowledge) strength... So much for warning the subcommanders, eh? ::)
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Did they just slaughter 15 of your units?
Yeah... including 2 crack armsmen units at full (to my knowledge) strength... So much for warning the subcommanders, eh? ::)
Or so much for Thorsten not listening to what nice DM Jon told him. UPDATE YOUR BLOODY LIST!
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Well it wasn't all that bad after all. And you actually managed to save Ghieste paying too many of his mercs ;D
I'm sure Diem will be pleased that you got his armsmen out of harms way.
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I have wondered a bit on the use of E and B status units. Is this all that wise? I know that speed is a must but are E and B units worth much in a fight?
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Wear - No effect
Exhausted - -2 to Attack and Morale (so pretty useful!)
Broken - -6 to Attack and Morale (pretty useless)
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Wow, the only war participants from Ilien who hasn't been reported dead are the few pikemen who are PoW. They are held by Diemed because they sat down durring an assult.
To bad it wasnt the whole unit that was put in irons for treason.
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... there is of course no guarantee of success.
What kind of messed up game IS this?!
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Wow, the only war participants from Ilien who hasn't been reported dead are the few pikemen who are PoW. They are held by Diemed because they sat down durring an assult.
To bad it wasnt the whole unit that was put in irons for treason.
Nah don't worry linde - seems those pikemen have now been taken care of as below; you save a lot of upkeep 8)
Detachment (The Hill):
Ser Cereval Shaeme (Commander): Grievously injured; captive of Boer forces.
Balistae Raw Ilien D
Artillerists Skilled Endier D
Swordsmen Veteran Roesone B
Pikes skilled Avanil merc D
Pikes Veteran Ilien D
Lion Crossbows 3rd Ghieste Merc D
Lion Crossbows 5th Ghieste Merc D
Crossbows skilled Avanil merc D
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Yeah, Boeruine goes in for slaughtering their captives - expect your men to fight to the death next time instead of waiting to be gutted like trussed rabbits once word gets out :-\
The joy of being a peasant in a nobles world...
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Yeah, Boeruine goes in for slaughtering their captives - expect your men to fight to the death next time instead of waiting to be gutted like trussed rabbits once word gets out :-\
The joy of being a peasant in a nobles world...
Yeah, don't expect Boer's reputation to help him either; being a mass murderer of the peasantry is not a good rep to carry, and I know all about bad reps :)
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Well it wasn't all that bad after all. And you actually managed to save Ghieste paying too many of his mercs ;D
I'm sure Diem will be pleased that you got his armsmen out of harms way.
I thought the fee for the mercs was agreed up front, and had to be paid in full no matter how many units were massacred? Otherwise it would be too tempting to order them to charge into the Spiderfell as a campaign drew to a close.
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That is indeed the case Even. On no account would anyone ever refuse to pay a merc contract cos their mercs had underperformed. Oh no.
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As I recall, the pay due must be paid, also for the mercs to restock and recruit new members to replace the fallen. I'd imagine the entire merc company rarely takes the field, their supports, offices and whatnot remains even if all soldiers in arms fall.
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Wow, the only war participants from Ilien who hasn't been reported dead are the few pikemen who are PoW. They are held by Diemed because they sat down durring an assult.
To bad it wasnt the whole unit that was put in irons for treason.
Nah don't worry linde - seems those pikemen have now been taken care of as below; you save a lot of upkeep 8)
Detachment (The Hill):
Ser Cereval Shaeme (Commander): Grievously injured; captive of Boer forces.
Balistae Raw Ilien D
Artillerists Skilled Endier D
Swordsmen Veteran Roesone B
Pikes skilled Avanil merc D
Pikes Veteran Ilien D
Lion Crossbows 3rd Ghieste Merc D
Lion Crossbows 5th Ghieste Merc D
Crossbows skilled Avanil merc D
I am not talking about the unit.
I know the unit died.
But Diem arrested the few men from the unit that sat down during battle. And with a little luck they might yet survive the war....
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As I recall, the pay due must be paid, also for the mercs to restock and recruit new members to replace the fallen. I'd imagine the entire merc company rarely takes the field, their supports, offices and whatnot remains even if all soldiers in arms fall.
I expect that you pay a chunk up-front, make ongoing payments, with a sweep up at the end - any noble who welched would risk never hiring again - and on a big enough contract would risk the mercs a) selling all his secrets to his enemeis and b) offering a good deel to any neighbour who would help them 'collect the debt'.
On the other side, mercs who desert, are completely useless, etc will find their employer renegotiating, refusing to pay etc - no noble would completely surrender their power by paying everything up front. Quite likely the money is put in an escrow upfront, and then argued over later if one side underperforms. There are bound to be banks, etc in the Imperial City who could perform the escrow role, and business would be fairly constant justifying independent trusted brokers to oversee the escrow...