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RoE Development => Atlas of Aebrynis => : DM B November 29, 2008, 08:17:29 PM
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Puh, Mhoried is finally done. That should enable you Mhoriens to really start playing. I'm pleased with the result - hope you like it too.
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Bjorn the Fell-handed, LMAO!
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I was quite surprised that there was no mention of the warlock in the "allies, neutrals, enemies" section.
Also, I might have to email the DMs for a couple clarifications on Regien.
Other than that, it was nice reading and it will likely keep us occupied...
W
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I was quite surprised that there was no mention of the warlock in the "allies, neutrals, enemies" section.
Also, I might have to email the DMs for a couple clarifications on Regien.
Other than that, it was nice reading and it will likely keep us occupied...
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Ah, the Warlock. He deserves mention!
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You’d like to call the HA and High Marshal Khaiarén allies, friends even, but you dare not. They have too much power and are too ambitious – the High Marshal desires even more power, perhaps even the throne of Mhoried. The High Marshal is usually overly critical of your rule, and seems to always try and influence the Council to go against your wishes.
A vile slander, clearly the scribe is an ungodly man in need of correction >:( The Aegis merely seeks to ensure that rulership is correct and godly, should it be otherwise is it not Haelyn's holy duty for us to counsel against reckless and foolish acts? The Aegis has always acted in the best interests of Mhoried, obviously it is good when these coincide with the best interests of the Mhor but it would be cowardice to shirk duty for a life of mere ease and agreement.
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Tornilen
The Sword Mage has never been a friend to Mhoried. Many times did Ghoeran marauders strike against the realm from her territory. And of late she has been implicated in the Wyld affair by Regien, who claims to have seen her plotting with the Warlock and representatives of Wyld.
Lies and slander, all of it!
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Tornilen
The Sword Mage has never been a friend to Mhoried. Many times did Ghoeran marauders strike against the realm from her territory. And of late she has been implicated in the Wyld affair by Regien, who claims to have seen her plotting with the Warlock and representatives of Wyld.
Lies and slander, all of it!
Luckily for you Regien isn't exactly trustworthy!
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Luckily for you Regien isn't exactly trustworthy!
Well, perhaps he isn't but his word is better than a priest who wanted to rule instead of his lord or a witch with an evil past who served the enemies of the state.
After all my dear high marshal it wasn't my troops who acquired control, by force if I recall correctly, of the capital from Lord Kavarra.
:P
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As the previous High Marshal I just have to jump in.
Just to clarify my point (the new player of HA will of course, have his own views on this), HA didn't take Bevaldruor to form a theocracy, but a TEMPORARY guardianship. At the time Diemed and the Kingdom were at war, Kavarra had Diemen support, Maricoere were with the kingdom and Haensen were leaderless (and dangerously close to LPA). Objectively, letting any faction take the throne at that time looked like a pile of trouble for war torn Mhoried. Osoerde and Ghoere were next door, and some of the temple allies of HA (OIT/KoH) were Diemen vassals or supporters. Of course that IC you could interpret that move as power hunger, but Robhan is a paladin and he did give an oath that it would be temporary until the dust settles.
Oh, and as for Swordmage, if Regien says she's crooked I'd give her the HA honorary membership card :p
But that's just me and my undying love for all things Regien :D *
* disclaimer: these would have been my thoughts as HA, the views expressed here in no way reflect the position of the kingdom of Roesone in this matter
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Oh, and as for Swordmage, if Regien says she's crooked I'd give her the HA honorary membership card :p
I think I should have never helped the OA heal the High Marshal back then. :P
But that's just me and my undying (well not yet but I was close to that) love for all things HA.
I do hope for a new start though.
Disclaimer: Any animosity is strictly limited to IC stuff of course.
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Hmm... I never actually considered the advantage of having Regien call me crooked. Any chance Regien could dispatch EVERYONE and tell them I'm crooked. That should win me a lot of friends.
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Sure, 100 GB and I'll send a letter in golden ink :P
Hmm... I never actually considered the advantage of having Regien call me crooked. Any chance Regien could dispatch EVERYONE and tell them I'm crooked. That should win me a lot of friends.
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OOC: sigh, to owe my life to demon worshiping stake-bait and
a bunch of tree huggers the faithful of Haelyn's gardener... sigh, the life of a paladin is hard :( I think that The Aegis will be studiously trying to ignore Regien as far as is possible :) My mild worry is that I have quite a lot of honour debts from turns 1-59 restricting my movements, oh well, the inevitable betrayals of the impure will free me from such constraints in time...
Hmm, from reading my PS I have enough to worry me with running the church, running a realm as well would be terribly distracting - so Robhan's still of the mind that declaring Bevaldruor a neutral site in the tumult was purely temporary, of course some power hungry lunatics like the Wyld and any surviving supporters will impute their own motives, but such mad ramblings are nothing to Haelyn's faithful.
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As the previous High Marshal I just have to jump in.
Just to clarify my point (the new player of HA will of course, have his own views on this), HA didn't take Bevaldruor to form a theocracy, but a TEMPORARY guardianship. At the time Diemed and the Kingdom were at war, Kavarra had Diemen support, Maricoere were with the kingdom and Haensen were leaderless (and dangerously close to LPA). Objectively, letting any faction take the throne at that time looked like a pile of trouble for war torn Mhoried. Osoerde and Ghoere were next door, and some of the temple allies of HA (OIT/KoH) were Diemen vassals or supporters. Of course that IC you could interpret that move as power hunger, but Robhan is a paladin and he did give an oath that it would be temporary until the dust settles.
Oh, and as for Swordmage, if Regien says she's crooked I'd give her the HA honorary membership card :p
But that's just me and my undying love for all things Regien :D *
* disclaimer: these would have been my thoughts as HA, the views expressed here in no way reflect the position of the kingdom of Roesone in this matter
Here we go again with the post-reasoning, all know that Kavarra managed to halt the High Marshall's vile ambition moments before it was too late. Good thing that so many Orthodox soldiers were in Mhoried or nearby Five Peaks, ready to remove the heathen tree-hugger! ;D
(Ah! RoE I, how I miss thee... The plans that never came to bee!)
Disclaimer: This is in no way the opinion of the DM, (unless he's a two-faced lying bastard like the Reformist loving High M...) Ahahaha! Never mind... ::)
Edit: Btw. IF the DM is a two faced lying bastard, he's most likely not telling the truth about the noble High Marshall and never will, because he hates the un-vassalized bastard! ;D
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My mild worry is that I have quite a lot of honour debts from turns 1-59 restricting my movements, oh well, the inevitable betrayals of the impure will free me from such constraints in time...
Actually, Robhan's been in charge since turn 40+ and spent most of that time fighting a war. He owed a debt of gratitude to the OIT patriarch (abdicated and travelling), the Grandmaster of KoH (abdicated, now duchess of Alamie) Hubaere (dead, killed by EO), Martin Royce (dead, killed by William Osoer) and Maire of ETN (wow, this one's still alive lol).
And then there's the complicated Regien :)
Other than that you're set to forge your own path :)
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Too true Rob, the casualties of war is usually truth. Everyone has a plan and are scared to death that someone else makes it to the finishing line first.
Robhan did what had to be done and had help from all corners of Anuire in doing so, nowhere else was the purpose so clear as in Mhoried, but a desperate fight it was, so much so that the rest of us felt badly betrayed by Kavarra when he decided to play a fast one and almost restart the war we had just won. However we never really knew what was really going on, so truth was definitely a casualty along the way. And the coalition was already breaking apart as the ecclesiastical parties squared off against each other in the inevitable fight over which temple would dominate Anuire. Robhan actually managed to stay on at least neutral terms with most parties and good terms with quite a few. Sure the OIT tried and tried to get him under their wing, but it never really reached the point of my darkest dreams ;D - and so it is in this game.
The HA had help, and some of that help wanted more than thanks, some of it became ungrateful over real and imagined slights, others remained far-away allies. But when the dust cleared Robhan was one of the last standing.
That is all you need to know when you play him. There are a few bridges on fire, but most are still there and intact. They all charge a toll, but then again nothing's free in this world.
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Whoosh! I feel like the last one to arrive at my own party. I got back last night from a wonderful Thanksgiving dinner, so I'm just now sitting down to go over the PS and try to take it all in...
I'll probably e-mail the DMs in the next 24-48 hours as I organize my thoughts and ideas, most of the affected players can probably expect at least a courtesy dispatch in a similar time frame.
Since the DMs have stated the non-canonical aspect of RoE 1 (it is known), may I request that they shoot me a message if they come across anything on the forums that's right out. I've got a lot of OOC knowledge (thanks all who sent me info) that I'd like to keep that way, but trying to separate fact from fiction (rather fact-fiction from fiction fiction, ugh) has gotten a bit confusing.
By the same token, it's sounds like the previous Kavarra was a touch more erratic than I had envisioned the character. While nothing's been ruled out ::) , I'd like to think my portrayal is a touch more rational than my predecessor. I imagine Tornilen is in a similar boat ;)
Great stuff, Bjorn, thanks for putting this together. Now, for the e-mails!
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He wasn't erratic as such, rash maybe - but remember Mhoried ain't no lawful realm. You're not going to see people doing the right thing by the book, but the right thing however which way they can, in the way they see it - against enemies both real and imagined.
Kavarra was very young when he decided to move against the HA. And he had good cause, because the temples vs. nobles were a very real "cold war" type of conflict in all Anuire. Still is... The nobles just don't know what's good for them ;D
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So if the allignment of realm/regent is CN that should be reflected in all actions and thus some of those actions can be perceived as erratic if viewed from a lawfull realm point of view, yes?
In the RoE I rules actions taken in conflict with allignment risk to generate a negative event. Will that be included in RoE II rules as well?
EDIT: Spelling
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Quite correct. A realm is pre-defined as being of a certain alignment - it's the predominant mindset at the core of your realm. If you disregard this mindset, you risk the chance of stability loss, negative events and the like. If you don't disregard it, you risk being unable to make deals with other people.
It's a balance as in all things life.
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We've had a little time for things to calm down a bit. ROE1 ended during a time or tumult from the sound of it - feelings were running high and few people had the luxury to step back and think things through - with a few seasons of peace to
seethe over slights and plan revenge reach an accord relationships may be very different.
I'm thinking that Robhan has tried to rein in his temper somewhat - turn from general into patriarch as it were - that probably means any open animosity is in the past - besides, he blames Regien for conning Kavarra into trying to murder him and drown the realm in blood so that the Wyld could return and finish what he started not Kavarra himself - blame the wizards for everything, that's my motto.
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I do believe that the whole Regien conning Kavarra was more a question of Regien playing on Robhan's ill-chosen words in a diplomatic assembly. He was arguing quite focusedly for a stewardship led by him until the realm was at peace.
Certain temples warned him against this, others urged him on. And Regien decided to connect the dots in his own chaotic fashion... Namely "would the HA ever let go of power if first they were chosen to steward Mhoried?", for a lawful realm that answer is simple enough, "follow the rules". For Regien it was more along the lines of "acquire power and protect what you have".
It didn't take much pushing to convince Kavarra that behind the fine words of the HA lay the theocracy, a terrifying thought for all nobles and one that is still keeping them wary of the (in their opinion) too powerful temples.
And Robhan didn't exactly prove him wrong... He didn't submit to his authority... Any good orthodox wouldn't have though, so that's a moot point.
In any case, the playing field is now yours. We have strewn it with caltrops, but it's yours nonetheless ;D
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I feel so popular nowdays ;D
There is one little detail I'd like to remind, when the OA asked help to keep the High Marshal alive - after the final battle when he was incapacitated - Regien did offer it.
He is a complicated character indeed.
Btw, as Regien would say:
I do believe that the whole Regien conning Kavarra was more a question of Regien playing on Robhan's ill-chosen words in a diplomatic assembly. He was arguing quite focusedly for a stewardship led by him until the realm was at peace.
I can hardly think of a state in Anuire that is 'at peace'. After all, aren't we all fighting against the shadow every day? :P
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I feel so popular nowdays ;D
There is one little detail I'd like to remind, when the OA asked help to keep the High Marshal alive - after the final battle when he was incapacitated - Regien did offer it.
He is a complicated character indeed.
Btw, as Regien would say:
I do believe that the whole Regien conning Kavarra was more a question of Regien playing on Robhan's ill-chosen words in a diplomatic assembly. He was arguing quite focusedly for a stewardship led by him until the realm was at peace.
I can hardly think of a state in Anuire that is 'at peace'. After all, aren't we all fighting against the shadow every day? :P
What an excellent chaotic point ;D
Ooh! And I do believe it would have worked for the lawful as well!
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Hmm, is any realm containing heretics or doubters at peace? Is any realm at peace whilst the Gorgon, brutish goblins, sly sidhe, cunning Khinasi and brazen Brecht defy the laws of the empire and Haelyn alike? Hmmm, a priests work is never done...
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Quite correct. A realm is pre-defined as being of a certain alignment - it's the predominant mindset at the core of your realm. If you disregard this mindset, you risk the chance of stability loss, negative events and the like. If you don't disregard it, you risk being unable to make deals with other people.
It's a balance as in all things life.
Indeed, and in a realm of "Do as you please, as long as you don't hurt anybody", someone has to keep the peace, even if he'd rather be off doing as he pleases too. Alas, it's lonely at the top, but the view is amazing! 8)
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Falling down could however be real painfull ::)
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Hmm, is any realm containing heretics or doubters at peace? Is any realm at peace whilst the Gorgon, brutish goblins, sly sidhe, cunning Khinasi and brazen Brecht defy the laws of the empire and Haelyn alike? Hmmm, a priests work is never done...
To be frank no need to con Kavara into anything, the priest is too "lawful" to protect his own self :o
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As I remember from my time as the KoH, When I sent Welling to meet with Kavarra and investigate, it sounded like someone had given him the strong impression that the temples (IHH, ETN, KOH, and HA) were planning a coup and assassination for him. Acting on that intel he sent his guards to arrest the group of "conspirators" and bring them in for further question (in the dungeon I suppose), and of course, since the conspirators didn't go peacefully and murdered the guards... well what more proof would a sovereign need? ;) Ahh that was some fun negotiating with Kavarra over that one!
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Yeah, I was blamed for that too. ;p
As I remember from my time as the KoH, When I sent Welling to meet with Kavarra and investigate, it sounded like someone had given him the strong impression that the temples (IHH, ETN, KOH, and HA) were planning a coup and assassination for him. Acting on that intel he sent his guards to arrest the group of "conspirators" and bring them in for further question (in the dungeon I suppose), and of course, since the conspirators didn't go peacefully and murdered the guards... well what more proof would a sovereign need? ;) Ahh that was some fun negotiating with Kavarra over that one!
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Come on Regien - you're a wizard AND you don't look none to good, having sacrificed everything for the good of Mhoried - OF COURSE they blame you for everything ::)
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Come now, everyone know the best way to judge a person's character is by their outward appearance and name, right Charles Dickens? ::)
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What's wrong with the name? ??? I might also add that we ain't in a dragonlance setting.
Come now, everyone know the best way to judge a person's character is by their outward appearance and name, right Charles Dickens? ::)
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What's wrong with the name? ??? I might also add that we ain't in a dragonlance setting.
For you, nothing, but doesn't Osoerde just sound sinister?
..wait, what? no kender regents?? (Heaven forbid!!) I was wondering whyn they decided to spell Solamnia
"M-h-o-r-i-e-d", I just assumed there was a lnguage barrier...
Come now, everyone know the best way to judge a person's character is by their outward appearance and name, right Charles Dickens? ::)
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Nothing even remotely useful to be found in this thread anymore...
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I'll start deleting in a few days, let us all be reminded to keep OOC out of the important info... Including yours truly ::)
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A little OOC never hurts - I'm partial to a bit myself - but when it devolves into a very long thread, it should be moved to the OOC board.