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: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: DM B September 12, 2010, 09:49:09 AM
Preliminary version of the P&H uploaded.

Various stuff to be added:

- variable income
- Avanil + the West Coast
- minor edits
- whatever you report in

I'll try to get some more work in on it tomorrow. Resuming weekend activities now.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 12, 2010, 12:03:08 PM
Feedback go into this thread.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Osoerde (Alan) September 12, 2010, 01:21:45 PM
It is probably safe to assume WO is NOT sending BBel 4 GB... ;)
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) September 12, 2010, 01:29:06 PM
Missing: SASI ruled up trade holding in Braeme.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Osoerde (Alan) September 12, 2010, 01:36:47 PM
B, I think you may have forgotten to update 'stability'.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 12, 2010, 01:55:06 PM
B, I think you may have forgotten to update 'stability'.

I know. I just forgot to mention it my to-do list.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 12, 2010, 01:56:09 PM
Missing: SASI ruled up trade holding in Braeme.

Ah yes; memory isn't too good these days!
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-IHH/Wallac Isilviere (Kasper) September 12, 2010, 07:02:22 PM
It is probably safe to assume WO is NOT sending BBel 4 GB... ;)

Others however that did expect GB from WO did not receive them  ::)
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Tornilen/SM (Alexander) September 12, 2010, 07:04:34 PM
The bless bonuses to prosperity in Thoralinar and Tornilen, both in Tornilen, do not seem to be included. Prosperity should be one higher in both provinces.

Also, stability increase, but it looks like you are on to that.

Thanks for the P&H, now the game starts in earnest :D
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 12, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
The bless bonuses to prosperity in Thoralinar and Tornilen, both in Tornilen, do not seem to be included. Prosperity should be one higher in both provinces.

Also, stability increase, but it looks like you are on to that.

Thanks for the P&H, now the game starts in earnest :D

Prosperity is down 2 steps. -3 from Demagogue ending and +1 for Agitate. Should only be -1 loss due to Bless effect kicking in. Will amend.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) September 12, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
BL Strength for Bellamie / South Hold should be increase by 5, to 42.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Sea Witch/Aneira (John) September 13, 2010, 06:39:36 AM
The overview page for the West Coast does not mention Hermedhie as a regent with holdings, while the Brosengae page lists her holdings in that (west coast) realm.

And I am assuming we'll keep the abbreviation He for my regent for ease of use?  (Which is, of course, fine by me).  Or will this change to a new abbreviation?
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 13, 2010, 08:54:19 AM
The overview page for the West Coast does not mention Hermedhie as a regent with holdings, while the Brosengae page lists her holdings in that (west coast) realm.

And I am assuming we'll keep the abbreviation He for my regent for ease of use?  (Which is, of course, fine by me).  Or will this change to a new abbreviation?

It will be changed to SW - Sea Witch.

All you holdings are gathered on the South Coast sheet, this is you main area of operations.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-OIT/Narvelon Diem (Bo) September 13, 2010, 09:59:21 PM
IN the Endier sheet there's a level 4 temple holding by NOT, that should be OIT I assume.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 13, 2010, 10:13:56 PM
IN the Endier sheet there's a level 4 temple holding by NOT, that should be OIT I assume.

You assume correctly. The NOT has merged with the OIT and all is well.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 13, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
B, I think you may have forgotten to update 'stability'.

Any particular domains that I should take under consideration?
: P&H #68 v2.3
: DM B September 14, 2010, 10:06:56 AM
v2.3 is out

Continue to post errata/questions here.

I will now concentrate on new domain descriptions and interactive actions.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) September 14, 2010, 10:54:12 AM
Errrr.... I just lost 20GB's?
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 14, 2010, 12:24:38 PM
Errrr.... I just lost 20GB's?

You did? Where is the error?
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) September 14, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
My variable income roll shifted from 13 to 8 and wiped 20Gb off my income.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) September 14, 2010, 01:09:23 PM
Unless my father intends to pull a Raenech on us all, I'd appreciate if his holdings in the Imperial City revert to my control :P
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 14, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
My variable income roll shifted from 13 to 8 and wiped 20Gb off my income.

v2.1 had variable income rolls not updated. v2.3 has.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) September 14, 2010, 02:43:50 PM
Unless my father intends to pull a Raenech on us all, I'd appreciate if his holdings in the Imperial City revert to my control :P

Same goes for Brosengae.
: P&H #68 v3.1
: DM B September 15, 2010, 12:09:59 PM
v3.1 uploaded
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor) September 15, 2010, 03:12:47 PM
There appears, quite mysteriously, ETN temple in Aerele, Diemed. MC is quite sure she didn't ordered it. Maybe a courtesy of OIT in celebration of their reunification?  ;)
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-OIT/Narvelon Diem (Bo) September 15, 2010, 04:52:32 PM
There appears, quite mysteriously, ETN temple in Aerele, Diemed. MC is quite sure she didn't ordered it. Maybe a courtesy of OIT in celebration of their reunification?  ;)
An oversight I'm sure, but don't worry, the OIT will be happy to remove it for you. (http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.solutionset.com/wpmu/files/2009/02/angrymobl.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.solutionset.com/wpmu/category/creative-design/&usg=__Miy50gfsYsG5KMcYPVRqcsxELPg=&h=302&w=416&sz=40&hl=da&start=22&zoom=1&tbnid=M5wzZZRH-vJvTM:&tbnh=141&tbnw=185&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtorches%2Band%2Bpitchforks%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dda%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DENZ%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:da:official%26biw%3D896%26bih%3D468%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C1111&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=173&ei=ad2QTK_EI8-EswbgxqC2AQ&oei=Ft2QTMjnFIjFswaD5Lm2AQ&esq=13&page=4&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:22&tx=124&ty=84&biw=896&bih=468)
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 15, 2010, 06:25:11 PM
There appears, quite mysteriously, ETN temple in Aerele, Diemed. MC is quite sure she didn't ordered it. Maybe a courtesy of OIT in celebration of their reunification?  ;)

"Random" event.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Osoerde (Alan) September 17, 2010, 02:31:22 PM
On the 'Eastern Marches' summary page:

The Count of Bhalaene is actually a Marquessate, and is led by a Marquis.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: DM B September 17, 2010, 06:27:38 PM
On the 'Eastern Marches' summary page:

The Count of Bhalaene is actually a Marquessate, and is led by a Marquis.

Is he? He's the Count of Bhalaene - the title of Marquis comes from Ghoere, does it not?
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Osoerde (Alan) September 17, 2010, 08:52:14 PM
Nope, during our negotiations, it was made a Marquessate.  It is a level 7 province with the attributes of being a "Trade Center" and a "Kingdom Capital"; it seemed fitting to make it a marquessate. 

Additionally, I couldn't elevate Isilviere to a Baron (all sorts of reasons for that), but I could make him a Marquis in Osoerde and therefore he is only a ceremonial step below the Barons/Baronesses.


: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-LPA/Gaerred Khaiarén (Gray) September 18, 2010, 04:04:45 AM
If Osoeriene is prosperity 'defiant', I don't think it is suppose to generate RP for its ruler.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Elinie/RiD (Niels) September 18, 2010, 02:25:16 PM
Hmm, unless there is still an ongoing event there, in Osoeriene, shouldn't they stay at the same level they were last turn? - I successfully added a +1 temporary prosperity modifier in my DO.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-LPA/Gaerred Khaiarén (Gray) September 18, 2010, 11:32:14 PM
Probably not. Prosperity is affected by a ton of thing, including very importantly, the prosperity level itself.  Temporary prosperity bonuses  are applied last (after prosperity is adjusted for actions, events, and taxes).

Defiant has -2 prosperity modifier.

So, It started at Defiant (2). 
Fair Taxes has a modifier of 0 (no effect on prosperity).
 Defiant prosperity has a -2 modifier (0). 

Therefore, the province is reduced to Rebellion (0), but the temporary bonus raises it 1 level and bless raised it 1 level. Putting it back at defiant...temporarily anyways.
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Elinie/RiD (Niels) September 19, 2010, 01:55:16 AM
Probably not. Prosperity is affected by a ton of thing, including very importantly, the prosperity level itself.  Temporary prosperity bonuses  are applied last (after prosperity is adjusted for actions, events, and taxes).

Defiant has -2 prosperity modifier.

So, It started at Defiant (2). 
Fair Taxes has a modifier of 0 (no effect on prosperity).
 Defiant prosperity has a -2 modifier (0). 

Therefore, the province is reduced to Rebellion (0), but the temporary bonus raises it 1 level and bless raised it 1 level. Putting it back at defiant...temporarily anyways.

So, you agree, its set one level too low. - The tax being still at Fair has to do with the prior ruler not having the means to lower it while this is all going on. If it were to me, which it now is, the tax is going down. Down, down, down.
: P&H v3.2
: DM B September 19, 2010, 08:49:27 AM
NEW UPDATE AVAILABLE

P&H v3.2
: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) September 20, 2010, 07:54:04 AM
CA's law holding in Laraeth shuold be 2 instead of 1, since the success of rule holding action in turn #67

also the agitate action was for Sorelies not, as listed, for Soutmoor.

: Re: P&H #68 v2.1
: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) September 20, 2010, 08:20:32 AM
WIT still missing some details about vassals tributes. And WIT + CJS variable income rolls marked in red, dunno what that means  ::)
: Re: P&H #68 v3.4
: DM B September 24, 2010, 08:37:05 PM
v3.4 uploaded

http://roe.twilightpeaks.net/downloads/ (http://roe.twilightpeaks.net/downloads/)

a.  Note that CA law has been increased to 2 (from 1) in Laraeth.
b.  Note that there is no longer a +1 Agitate in Soutmoor and that the province's prosperity has been changed to unsteady (from guarded).
c.  Note that there is now a +1 Agitate in Sorelies and that the province's prosperity has been changed to average (from guarded).
d.  Note that PSN vassalage/tribute to WIT is listed as 2RP/0GB.
e.  Note that ToF vassalage/tribute to WIT is listed as 2RP/0GB.
f.  Note that various grants to CoT have been added.
 
Other editing, too.
: Re: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) September 26, 2010, 07:39:50 PM
Sorry about the delay Bjorn but:

Shieldhaven - has the level increased?  It should be 6+1 (bless) = 7 not 7+1 = 8 surely?

March of Dhalsiel - did Constantine pick up the ancestral lands of Kavarra too?  The Kavarra family looks gone..

Ruorven - same issue as Shieldhaven, did you do a general population update or has the bless been double-counted?
: Re: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: DM B September 29, 2010, 10:56:18 AM
Sorry about the delay Bjorn but:

Shieldhaven - has the level increased?  It should be 6+1 (bless) = 7 not 7+1 = 8 surely?

March of Dhalsiel - did Constantine pick up the ancestral lands of Kavarra too?  The Kavarra family looks gone..

Ruorven - same issue as Shieldhaven, did you do a general population update or has the bless been double-counted?

There have been numerous province level upgrades. This has been commented on before.

Kavarra: Constantine has been invested by Land's Choice- that doesn't mean he's legally entitled to the holdings. I have a mail thread with the Mhor regarding this - but as with so many other things it has not been resolved due to Vik's inactivity.
: Re: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: X-CJS/Ruormad Coumain (Tristan) September 29, 2010, 04:40:45 PM
Bayside and Portage in Northern Taeghas have issues with total temple holdings exceeding the province level.
: Re: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: X-Tornilen/SM (Alexander) October 04, 2010, 09:08:35 AM
Quick question - my DO mentioned Tornilen's stability increasing from +2 to +3. Now the P&H lists it as +2... does that mean the increase has been "recalled"?
: Re: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: DM B October 04, 2010, 09:31:19 AM
Quick question - my DO mentioned Tornilen's stability increasing from +2 to +3. Now the P&H lists it as +2... does that mean the increase has been "recalled"?

It means I'm not very good at paying attention to details...

It should be +3
: Re: P&H #68 - Current version/feedback thread
: DM B October 04, 2010, 09:31:50 AM
Bayside and Portage in Northern Taeghas have issues with total temple holdings exceeding the province level.

I'll look into it; outside the play area through, so not high on my list.