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Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« on: April 12, 2010, 07:58:21 AM »
Use this for Chapter 4 feedback/questions.
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 10:20:29 PM »
Chapter 4 has undergone quite a bit of revision work. It now explains in greater detail how a DM should process a turn. It also discuses things like the timing of actions in structured or narrative time. A summary of important planning/processing elements for fighting wars is included. Should make it easier for players and DMs both to fill out/process DOs without diving deep into chapter 6/7. There are also changes to how income and taxation works.

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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 10:21:11 PM »
Background color of pages seem to have been fraked up...the culprit will be punished!
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 06:35:42 AM »
The cerilian calendar has 12-months of 32 days with 4 additional holidays between the turns.  The calendar flavor text is incorrect, I believe.
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 06:45:33 AM »
Page 11 sidebar is missing text at the bottom
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 06:50:06 AM »
I think you intended to tell us what monks collect regency from, despite them not being in cerilia br
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 09:30:08 AM »
Thanks. Will fix.
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2013, 06:13:42 AM »

OoC:

Perhaps Druids could generate no regency from law holdings?

Perhaps Adepts could generate full regency from temple holdings or source holdings, rather than from temple holdings and source holdings?


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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2013, 02:15:34 PM »
In the highlands Druids are the core of the community - not isolate tree-huggers disinterested in people, so restricted them from law wouldn't fit thematically. 

Adepts - Maybe full of one and half of the other?  I'm not sure if we have enough adepts to worry about though.
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2013, 09:53:29 PM »
Why random nerfs? - Nerfs should be based on observed problems, right?

Every single Elite class gathers at least something from Law. Clearly a design decision, taking it away from Druid would make him the odd one out.

Adept has very little power and spread as it is, why would it need nerfing?

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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2013, 10:01:16 PM »
PLEASE SEE THAT BRANDON IS TALKING ABOUT V 2.25 RULES.

HE IS NOT PROPOSING CHANGES TO OUR GAME, BUT TO THE RULES THAT ARE NOT IN EFFECT.
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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2013, 10:18:14 PM »
PLEASE SEE THAT BRANDON IS TALKING ABOUT V 2.25 RULES.

HE IS NOT PROPOSING CHANGES TO OUR GAME, BUT TO THE RULES THAT ARE NOT IN EFFECT.

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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2013, 10:24:02 PM »
Linde - take it easy.  You and Brandon have bounced heads enough times on this, I think.  He wants to bring in 2.25 rules, you don't, and we all know both sides of that.  Matt didn't slap you and Niels down for working up all those rules for Hire Help despite his not really being sold on needing them; don't slap Brandon for working up stuff based on 2.25.  If Matt and Andy want to use it, they will; if not, Brandon will enjoy writing it up anyways.  No one's being hurt by this, so let him do his thing however he wants.

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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2013, 10:29:18 PM »

In the highlands Druids are the core of the community - not isolate tree-huggers disinterested in people, so restricted them from law wouldn't fit thematically. 

Adepts - Maybe full of one and half of the other?  I'm not sure if we have enough adepts to worry about though.

Why random nerfs? - Nerfs should be based on observed problems, right?

Every single Elite class gathers at least something from Law. Clearly a design decision, taking it away from Druid would make him the odd one out.

Adept has very little power and spread as it is, why would it need nerfing?

OoC:

Perhaps Druids could generate full regency from temple holdings and half regency from law and source holdings?  Or perhaps Druids could generate full regency from source holdings and half regency from law and temple holdings?

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Re: Chapter 4: The Domain Turn
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 01:32:44 AM »
Linde - take it easy.  You and Brandon have bounced heads enough times on this, I think.  He wants to bring in 2.25 rules, you don't, and we all know both sides of that.  Matt didn't slap you and Niels down for working up all those rules for Hire Help despite his not really being sold on needing them; don't slap Brandon for working up stuff based on 2.25.  If Matt and Andy want to use it, they will; if not, Brandon will enjoy writing it up anyways.  No one's being hurt by this, so let him do his thing however he wants.
Yeah, sorry. I just don't see it as random nurfs I see it as talk about proposed rules. So I was actually bopping heads with Niels there.

The slow and easy reply:
Adept is an npc class, so I imagine that no matter if we play 2.21 or adopt 2.25 it will be easier to get an adept than a heroic class.
That is why it is strange that it gain regency for two sources rather than one, like all other NPC classes except commoner.
I think this would make sense both in 2.21 and 2.25

Druid gain 2 full and one half, that is more than any other class..... Any other class that gain full regency for source.. except adept witch by standard I agree is overpowered, only get regency for source and half law.

So it is not a random nerf, it is more of a question of why do druids and adepts need a boost compared to all the other classes in their respective tier?

I would propose for 2.25 that:
Adepts give either source or temple depending on what magic they can cast. (so they only get one and are not the OP obvious 2. class choice for the lieutenant you're grooming to be your vassal.. Guilder being the first, so your vassal can gain full regency for temple guild and source.)
Druids gain full temple and source, or half source, full temple and half law (or another mix that add up to 2)
Wizard and sorcerer gain half law half manor and full source. (or another mix that add up to 2)

I think the same for 2.21 would make sense. Unless pure Druids and Adepts need a boost and pure Wizards need to be kept down.
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