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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2009, 07:07:26 PM »
The Patriarch looks at the High Hierophant, it is not surprise on his face, but disappointment, then he rasps; "A little more Faith most Holy High Hierophant, in me. There is a reason you support me and my father.

I would not see you descend to the disease of mindreading that seems to plague this gathering. I, have not been asked to choose a side, nor have I any inclination to. The only one here, who seems adamant in so doing, is the Archduke.


"Do you not presume to read my mind, Noble Patriarch? Do I seem to lack faith?" She says quietly.

"Perhaps there is a reason, perhaps there is not.  But by the exercise of your reason, you have come to a judgement, one which is correct in boths its assumptions and outcomes, but a judgement nonetheless," She ever so slightly nods.  "If this is what is done my 'mindreading' then so be it, but any who do this are also engaging in an act of the Lady of Reason, under the auspices of the All-Father," she says quietly, for Medlorhie is not an overly assuming person.

"For this, I do not think they should deserve to be chastised," she says.

Do you believe it is for my own amusement, that I take up the mantle of battered Reason? - I am a Paladin, and as you correctly declare, this is not something any man can call himself. More!

I am a Paladin of Avanalae, goddess of Reason and Philosophy, and my questions serve only to further Mans understanding, and, as my wicked, wicked goal is the eventual prosperity of All of Anuire."

Rashid turns, looking each noble in the eye; "Once we see, that we can work together, sovereign realms, instead of instigating a new period of hostility and abuse of power, to grasp what remains of an ancient empire, only then!

Will we be able, to truly become that Empire once more. Only when liege do not harry vassal, but realm accords realm due validation and rights, will we have a foundation that will last centuries.

"Yet, inherent in this, is the need to subordinate individual desire to some other ideal -- in this case -- an empire and that this entails.  But many men are unable to subordinate themselves to the laws of their own homes, or to the desires of their family. If these arguably simple and natural things do not always occurs, why should it be so natural for them to subordinate to the ideal of an empire?  Are you, My Noble Patriarch?"

See the realm created by Lord Raenech! - It is shattered, in pieces, with the ending of the life of one man.

"The Kingdom of Ghoere, twice was largely undone by deception, war and an unwillingness to adhere to the covenents men enter into with one another. It is nothing new and not uncommon in Anuire.   In fact, even recent history is full of numerous events," she says.

So when I ask the Archduke, whether he believes bloodline or lineage carries the right to title, then it is to but remind him, that he himself carries a burden heavier than most. Yet he does not carry it evenly, but uses it, to burden those that could be his staunchest of allies.

"But are we not again, now attempt to read minds?  The nature of reason is that no man owns it in exclusivity, and that as facts are undone, new facts discovered, or even new assumptions made, so to must the judgement." She says.

"Though I wholly agree with you, the Archduke of Osoerde, more so than any other, bears a unique burden; a burden too few are willing to offer aid to carry and many more are willing to take advantage of. Caution is prudent and testing most warranted," she says.

"Though I by no means claim and understanding of the matters of Nobility, my realm is but the Lady's adhering to the auspices of the All-Father, and I cannot bear to see the action of reason defamed."

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2009, 07:17:41 PM »
Lord Dosiere can't help but get to his feet at the High Priestess words.

"Hear hear!

 Let the temples guide the faithful! Not create Dukes and Duchesses!"

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2009, 07:33:38 PM »
Arvour sighs

"Lord Dosiere. Maybe the life so far away from the Heartlands, that you only have an opportunity to see or experience the heart of Anuire every five years has made you somewhat too idealistic. When you speak of the empire, you speak of old tales of glory, of bardic songs about Michael Roele and wall paintings covered in a layer of dust hanging in the audience chamber of an ancestral castle that was built before the empire fell."

He pauses, waiting for his words to sink in. "Yes, fell. No matter how we choose to delude ourselves, the fact of the matter is that the empire of the Roeles died with Michael at Battlewaite. We have our legacy, our customs, and our history, but in reality, we are an empire of convenience. Nothing more."

He shakes his head "We choose to participate in these gatherings, to read of the deeds of the emperors, to watch the reenactments of Deismaar, but it cannot hide the simple truth that in the past five centuries imperial traditions have gone forgotten, imperial law vanished everywhere save for the Imperial City, and even the old Imperial Highways have all but fallen into disrepair as individual realms no longer trust their neighbors enough to maintain them."

"Look around you? This has the semblance of imperiality, but that is all that it is. Semblance, an illusion. We have our own titles, archdukes, dukes, barons, but we are in reality all kings of our realms. I guess only Queen Swordwraith has seen the truth of the matter and has adopted a title that suits her status."

"Since I have pressing business here, business that has to do with the life and prosperity of my people, those that I care about and protect in the name of Haelyn and Cuiraecen, I will withdraw now from this futile debate that serves little purpose other than to provide a stage for those with overinflated egos and a profound detachment from reality to show their verbal talent."

"And lord Dosiere, I would advise you to devote more of your time to the interests of the people of Dhoesone while you are here."

The baron, weariness and even sadness visible on his face, stands up, nods respectfully and leaves. As he passes by Ghieste and Swordmage he honors them both with "Your Grace"   
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 07:37:20 PM by Roesone/ARR (Robert) »
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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2009, 07:49:12 PM »
At long last Duke Ghorien stands up to speak, attempting to speak before the Patriarch and the Baron Arvour leaves the room.

"There has now been much discussion, to'ing and fro'ing and more than a little verbal sparring and it is good to see such vigorous discussion is healthy within this august body. we shall take no insult on our behalf from the various comments made, assuming instead that they were made in the spirit of that same vigorous discussion."

A pause for brief and to survey the room.

"Ghieste thanks those that, during this debate, have granted us the recognition that our position and lineage does justify. We also thank those that continue to recognise us who have spoken to us privately or through correspondance and look forward to their public recognition in due course. Our claim is documented and has been subject to significant scrutiny already. Our title is held by the right of blood and descent. Our Duchy has been held for us for over five years now independently and no one has seen fit in all that time to actually challenge our claim and in that time our Duchy has weathered those storms that have struck it and continued to prosper. It seems that more of our peers are now willing to recognise our right, despite the concerns expressed by the dear ambassador. One hopes that in due course he will re-consider his position therefore."


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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2009, 08:16:54 PM »
As Rashid hears the words of the High Hierophant, he thinks, but speaks not; Natural? - It is not nature, that gives us will or power, to work for peace rather than domination. Nature is to dominate and destroy... by reason do we temper those urges and strive for peace.

She must be blinded by William...


When he hears Ghorien speak, he pauses in his step, then nods and exits.
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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2009, 08:32:32 PM »
The Mhor rises, his face strained, his eyes scanning the room intensely.

"My lord Chamberlain.

I have seen to personal vendetta being waged in these Halls. I have not spoken.
I have listened to insults being exchanged or implied among decent Anuireans. I have not spoken.
I have listened to our Empire being considered a past, long forgotten an illusion, a dream long forgotten, a dead weight. I have not spoken.
For that I ask for the forgiveness of our host, the Imperial Chamberlain, and the people of the Imperial City."


He sighs, and his words are uttered with confidence.
"Now I will speak. I see that many have lost their faith, and are unwilling to see themselves as a part of an Empire. Then I wonder about their presence in the Halls. These Halls present us with an opportunity to leave everything behind and work for the prosperity of our people as well as the Empire's. I am certain that these are not self - exclusive notions."

He continues:
"Mhoried is considered the Guardian of the Empire. My people are proud of that title. It is not some self-claimed title of nobility, and cannot be disputed. It has been granted in the fields of the never-ending battle for the safety of the Empire. I am confident that most of you are grateful for the role my people have claimed over the centuries. I can guarantee you that when someone holds his sword in the battle for the defense of our Empire, I won't ask him of titles of nobility, and credentials."

He takes a deep breath and concludes:

"Regarding the titles, I am certain the Chamberlain has the ability to ascertain their validity. I for one, would welcome this initiative, and hope that discussions in the future will be oriented in more important matters".
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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2009, 09:54:25 PM »
Robhan frowns, the Empire was far more than one man - more even than one line.  Nor has it fallen - Michael Roele was no more dominating tyrant than any other emperor - he ruled for the main part through the wise advice of arch dukes, dukes, barons, counts and so on.  Many of whom yet remain faithful to the old ways.  While one man remembers the empire and follows its tenets it lives yet.

I am priest of Haelyn, I hold accord to the Book of Law that sets out the code of the Empire

I am guardian of the empire, I fight and, Haelyn willing, will die in its defense - regardless of whether those I defend remember their heritage

I am a noble of the empire, I shall show loyalty and respect to its lords and protect and guide its common folk.

As for choice of title, without an Emperor then clearly appointment of the highest ranks cannot follow the normal path - but only in the highest ranks.  the Arch-Duke for example may appoint count, viscount, lord, knight and a legion of other ranks as befits his rank - and those titles are as valid as his own, for like it they flow from the Empire.

As to the Arch Duke in particular, he was Arch Duke before and after he died, under the laws of Osoerde his title passed to no heir - I see no question regarding his title.  As to his reborn bloodline such is a matter between him and Haelyn - and not for even me, a priest of Haelyn, to consider for it was granted directly by divine will.  Perhaps there might be question, from a bloodline perspective, as to precisely who is heir - but such is again a matter of Osoerdean law alone.

The question I suppose rises from claimants where succession is unclear.  My view is simple, should a realm, under its own laws of succession, recognise title, then there is strong case for all to recognise the title until superior feudal lord of the realm demands otherwise.  That Duchess Marya, who is but half Vos I note, and further has proven that her Anuirean heritage overwhelmed the Vos by kneeling before Conclave to forswear the Vos gods and follow holy Cuiraecen - claims her title is thus mainly a matter for the laws of Tornilen - just as the inheritance of any Duke or Duchess elsewhere is guided by the laws of their realm.  To seek to impose laws of one realm over another in such matters, is to invite all nobles to fear for their safety and travel only surrounded with armed escort to enforce their rank lest some contrivance be made to permit murder...

But do not mis-interpret me, I do not say that Priests have no say in noble titles whatsoever - should a duke turn to worship of demons, become awnsheghlien, accept service to one of the Lost or commit some other grievous ill offensive to great Haelyn, then they break Haelyn's laws and forfeit their rank - but that is all say I hold as priest.  A noble rank is a matter for nobles and laws of the realm, not for priests no matter how much they hunger to meddle. Robhan smiles, of course whether a title is recognised beyond the border of its home realm likely depends on how well its laws accord with those of its neighbours - but such is a matter of practicalities, not theory.
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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2009, 11:33:49 PM »
I can confirm Pontiff Aurlien made no judgement on the SM's titel.

Actually but for Archduke William Osoer I will not involve me in wether or not titles are deserved or not; simply because it is not my place to do so. I will leave such things to nobility. My area is faith.

The exception is Archduke William Osoer and thats due to the direct involvment of Haelyns divine miracle by his resurrection. I will not have that insulted by powergames

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2009, 06:28:44 PM »
Lord Dosiere takes the floor.

"Lords and Ladies of Anuire. You will regret your actions and decisions on this most important matter tenfold, and we, the good traditional folk shall suffer the consequences a thousandfold and Anuire will be the worse for it.
 Ghieste is no Duke, he is a murderer.
 The Swordmage is no Duchess. She is a criminal.

 And you are all blinded by gold, ambition and pure foolishness.

 For you are allowing them to go free! Shame!

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2009, 11:13:20 PM »
The Mhor rises, staring intensely Lord Dosiere. He speaks with a booming voice, barely able to contain his irritation:

Lord Dosiere, you are talking to Regents of the Anuirean Empire and their representatives. Speaking in a condescending manner is not going to have us running around bowing and blabbering like frightened children. You are making a pure representation of your arguments.

He sighs and continues.

I can not however turn my back on these accusations. Lord Dosiere, you claim that both Ghorien Hiriele and the Swordmage are criminals. Do you have anything to support these accusations, or are you merely reproducing rumors that are quite frankly spreading along the Empire?

 
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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2009, 11:23:04 PM »
Why of course I do, Mhor Kavarra. For one, the Swordmage has admitted to stealing Haelynic relics and planting them with the Tshalen family, so they bore the brunt of a holy inquisition, is that not a crime?

 Another is Guilder Hiriele, he is assuredly guilty of murdering Baron Gavin Tael. And I know where there is proof, however presently I will keep it to myself. For it is a dangerous thing to go against a man such as Hiriele. Especially considering the willful blindness I sense in all Anuire!

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2009, 11:31:06 PM »
Geraldine sits quietly in the corner sipping from a goblet.
She looks as if she is listening to all that is said.

The only time she looked as she was going to say anything were when SM tried to include her in the conversation. But with the quick replies from all the other regents present she seems content with just observing.

Sometimes she smiles at what is said, but she seems to be smiling equally regardless of who is making a point.
 
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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2009, 11:35:27 PM »
Lord Carilon stands:

"Lord Dosiere, from a rethorical point of view, you charge Lord Ghorien for having slayed what appears to be the one-time destroyer of House Ghieste, without supporting your claim. Am I correct?"

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #73 on: March 25, 2009, 12:25:56 AM »
Chamberlain Dosiere takes the pulpit.

"Enough. If my far off kinsman wishes to speculate or throw accusations against Guilder Hiriele, he must produce evidence. Not hearsay and innuendo.
 We thank all present for their attendance at the Sword & Crown, but the time has come for Us to say farewell to you all and close these proceedings. We trust that We shall be honoured by all people present when next the Sword & Crown is held.
 You are of course welcome to stay for as long as you desire, but for all other purposes this court must return to it's daily life.

 We thank you for having honoured the Imperial Court. Haelyn's blessings go with your graces!


 Lord Dosiere bows to his great uncle with deference and leaves the hall.

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Re: The future of the Anuirean nobility
« Reply #74 on: March 25, 2009, 12:38:59 AM »
Geraldine finishes her drink and leaves the hall. She gives her polite goodbye to any who looks as they want them.

Then she leaves.
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