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: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) September 29, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
Here is an updated (and hopefully correct, map of the Tael Firth area for use with RoE III.

http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=myfiles;u=276
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III (bis)
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 16, 2013, 01:12:25 AM
And here is yet another map with more corrections (thanks for the heads' ups guys - it's kind of tricky making a map without an up-to date listing of provinces;) Please let me know if you notice if anything has been missed or left out ).
This one has the highways (Yellow) and roads (brown), and a few ferries marked as well.

I am not going to upload it to the downloads section because I am almost finished the map of all of Cerilia, which I will upload, but here's a link to the Tael Firth region: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qvhw1udjpz8b2h/Roe%203%20%20%2815-10-13%29.jpg
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 16, 2013, 08:47:33 AM
Like it.

Possibly a road between Aaldvika and Veikanger?
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 19, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
Done!
I ran it through Djaalfund rather than Hjolgrun.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 19, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
Link or add to downloads?
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 20, 2013, 01:52:45 AM
Shortly,
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 20, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
I can't find any mention of highways in Talinie in the published material. What I can find are smaller roads and trade routes connecting all provinces except Freestead.
And it seems Boeruine is not even connected to Talinie by such a trade route or road, so an upgrade to highway seems unlikely.

: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 20, 2013, 01:24:40 PM
Also, Colonsay (The northern most barrier island) is covered with forest.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 20, 2013, 02:34:52 PM
Thanks Linde.

The highway into Talinie is based on Bjorn's map of roads and features that is posted somewhere on the forum (Brandon found it for me).

And as for the forested island, it wasn't so on the source map I used, but I am happy to make it so, if somebody with access to the updated RoE 3 P&H would be so kind as to let me know what the terrain of the Barrier Islands province is.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ohlaak (Alan) October 20, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
I can't find any mention of highways in Talinie in the published material. What I can find are smaller roads and trade routes connecting all provinces except Freestead.
And it seems Boeruine is not even connected to Talinie by such a trade route or road, so an upgrade to highway seems unlikely.

Talinie has a pretty interesting history in RoEI and RoE2, mostly as snippets appearing in the SR's or random adventures.  The highway into Talinie definitely exists, I have actually traveled it during an adventure. House Royce always made that a fatal mistake. :)
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: X-Points East October 20, 2013, 05:08:14 PM

OoC:

Roads and features map (http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=16)

Roads & Features map + movement (http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?topic=604.0)

: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 20, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
Keep in mind that red = road, not highway, but that some of those roads were in fact down-on-their-luck highways...just to make things complicated.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 20, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Keep in mind that red = road, not highway, but that some of those roads were in fact down-on-their-luck highways...just to make things complicated.
So it would make more sense to change the legend for the new roe3 map to yellow=major road; brown=minor road?

: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 20, 2013, 06:31:18 PM
Colonsay. As it is the only vanilla barrier island of any significant size you will have to ask Matt or Andy for the terrain of the others.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 20, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
Roads missing in Talinie:

Greensward to Serimset. In Serimset the road continues to the border of the gorge with two branches that reach the boarder of Winters Deep and Freestead respectively.

Icehaven to Winters Deep. One road taking the direct route from Novelton and one road following the coast. The direct route only reach the southern part of Winters Deep and stop short of connecting with the road on the boarder to Serimset, while the one following the coast continue all the way to the boarder to Hopes Bastion.

: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 20, 2013, 07:50:47 PM
Food for thought; there is seldom any rhyme and reason between various sourcebooks. The main Rjurik book has ONE road detailed. But once you get to the Stjordvik book there are roads all over the place. IMO they are two very different things; the main road is a real Structure, whereas the minor roads are just fluff that's already part of the province levels. Same would apply for Talinie.

Once you depart from this concept you might as well call roads in every province. Which there almost certainly are - just not good enough to warrant SPECIAL MENTION.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 20, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
Relatedly; my Roads/features map was trying to show a combination of left-over old Imperial highways (in bad repair for the most part) and major axes of travel and trade. Added on top of the organic roads rules it provided a simple and consistent framework for movement.

The white lines are 'impassable' only for major armies, not necessarily for groups or smaller warbands.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 20, 2013, 10:32:57 PM
Food for thought; there is seldom any rhyme and reason between various sourcebooks. The main Rjurik book has ONE road detailed. But once you get to the Stjordvik book there are roads all over the place. IMO they are two very different things; the main road is a real Structure, whereas the minor roads are just fluff that's already part of the province levels. Same would apply for Talinie.

Once you depart from this concept you might as well call roads in every province. Which there almost certainly are - just not good enough to warrant SPECIAL MENTION.

By that logic none of the roads in Talinie warrant special mention, not even the roads currently on the map, and especially not the brown road.

Relatedly; my Roads/features map was trying to show a combination of left-over old Imperial highways (in bad repair for the most part) and major axes of travel and trade. Added on top of the organic roads rules it provided a simple and consistent framework for movement.

The white lines are 'impassable' only for major armies, not necessarily for groups or smaller warbands.
By that logic most of Talinie could be covered in roads that warrant mention as most of its provinces contain old imperial roads only suitable for troop movement.

I basically don't care if the roads are added or not, as long as roads are consistently added or omitted from the roads map.

In RoE3 the provinces in Talinie affected by the roads on the map are all primary plains provinces. As far as I read the rules, that make movement cost the same as movement without a road... Am I right?

I am also confused by the bridges added to Bob's map. Who maintain them?
As far as I could see on Bjørns original map, none of the major rivers were bridged.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 20, 2013, 11:32:30 PM
White Bridges of Moere + one between Brosengae and Taeghas. Those were to only 2 survivors.

Common roads should only go onto local maps, not the big region ones. Common roads are part of the province level. The only roads that go on the region maps are those built as structures in very low-level provinces (rare) or true highways (also rare).
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 21, 2013, 12:34:07 AM
OK Linde, I made all the roads on Bjorn's maps "highways" based on Brandon's information that the ones on the map are the remains of the old Imperial highway, and the other roads I found on various published maps, both official and unofficial. The only change to the roads from those two sources I made was to delete the roads in my domain. So the present road map has been approved by the only active DM (Andy)

As for the terrain for the islands (which Andy requested I put in), well I have not put any in because I have not received any RoE3 valid info from any of the DMs. I personally think all three of them should be "woods" at the very least, but so far the only feedback I have received from a DM is that they were good without any terrain.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 21, 2013, 12:38:11 AM
I should make it clear that I am not adding these islands on a whim, I have been working with Andy to get things right (personally I majorly dislike the lay-out of Bjorn's ROE 2 southern coast, but I am but the map maker, not the world maker), so if you disagree with something on the map, take it up with Bjorn, Matt, and/or Andy (as appropriate), not me - I just do as I am told.

I'm just the piano player.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Talinie & NIT/TD (Linde) October 21, 2013, 01:20:26 AM
I should make it clear that I am not adding these islands on a whim, I have been working with Andy to get things right (personally I majorly dislike the lay-out of Bjorn's ROE 2 southern coast, but I am but the map maker, not the world maker), so if you disagree with something on the map, take it up with Bjorn, Matt, and/or Andy (as appropriate), not me - I just do as I am told.

I'm just the piano player.

I personally like that there are more larger islands off the coast of Talinie, so you won't hear me complain. As for terrain: I doubt it will be relevant anytime soon as monsters likely roam them. I just tried to come with input.

I have a good relationship with Boer, so I wouldn't mind him having a bridge to Talinie. I can basically live with all the stuff on the map. Keeping in mind that I might let the highways decay as I gain nothing from having them, except added expenses.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 21, 2013, 09:07:28 AM
I should make it clear that I am not adding these islands on a whim, I have been working with Andy to get things right (personally I majorly dislike the lay-out of Bjorn's ROE 2 southern coast, but I am but the map maker, not the world maker), so if you disagree with something on the map, take it up with Bjorn, Matt, and/or Andy (as appropriate), not me - I just do as I am told.

I'm just the piano player.

The South Coast? You're probably referring to the Maesil valley and the south-west coast, no?

That's very much RoE-specific and doesn't need to carry over in any other BR-game.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 21, 2013, 12:49:17 PM
Yeah, the south-west coast, it's too smooth for my tastes, I'm a member of the Slatribartfast school of world design. :)
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 21, 2013, 01:54:06 PM
Based off a hand-drawn sketch. The current digital versions has lots of fjords, islands etc.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 21, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
Sounds cool! Please send me a copy so I can integrate it into my map.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Yggdrasil (DM Andy) October 21, 2013, 10:50:12 PM
Hmm, islands.

The Talinie map (posted by Linde) suggests that Colonsay is woods - or possibly forest given that it is mostly uninhabited (except by a giant).

The Vulkan Islands are 1 volcano (several centuries since the last major eruption, so low mountains/light woods) and 3 islands that are a mix of woods and plains - they've been lightly settled for a while.  As you move further out into the Tael Firth they go from hills to almost sunken but surrounded by a fair amount of cold-water corals and at the far end a large inland lagoon.  The seas around the vulkan isles are very fertile due to the amount of volcanic road eroding into the water, if they were defensible they would probably have become a fairly robust realm.

Stjordvik's PS makes a thing of the roads being carefully designed to allow rapid troop movement, etc indicating "proper" roads - if I was writing the PS I'd probably remove them as they don't fit well, but having radically altered the great oak wall from canon I feel a little reluctant to remove the roads as well.

The lack of roads in Anuire is a map oddity btw - I can't remember where but am sure that Rich Baker mentioned it in an interview as an inconsistency between maps (the brecht and vos maps don't show roads either).
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 22, 2013, 01:37:36 AM
OK, so do I make the Barrier Islands forest or woods?
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Yggdrasil (DM Andy) October 22, 2013, 10:39:34 PM
I'm trying to remember which island is which.  From recollection the order as they go out of the Tael Firth is:

Vulkan - med mount - volcanic - some life around the edge but mainly barren rock/lava flow.

Sangerens - forest/med mount - should be the next one out I think, quite lush although the forest is fairly "young" by Rjurik standards.

Fisk - hills/low mount - much of the woodland has been harvested so its clearer - it would be plains if it was flatter.

Stor - hills/woods.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 23, 2013, 12:11:57 AM
As you described them to me they are as follows:
The islands are Stor Isle (Big Island), Fisk Isle (Fish Island), Sangeren's Isle (Singer's Isle) and Vulkan Island (Active volcano).

The islands are like the Galapagos or Hawaii - all volcani, created as the fissure beneath shifted over time.

I envisaged Stor Isle as two volcanic cones that had worn down to mounds and merged together making a kind-of oval-kind of figure 8 island, it is well forested.

Fisk Isle was a nice volanic isle until is had a bad day, and it is now a cresent sort of shape - one side of the volcano crater is gone basically allowing water in, there is a lot of shallow water and islets around indicating that the land has shrunk.

Sangeran is still quite rocky, with a lot of jagged rocks in its waters (giving it its name from the sound of the breakers).  The mound has mostly collapsed so its more of a mound than a would-be mountain.

 Vulkan Island is a very new, very rocky island that's a near perfect Volcanic cone surrounded by some lava fans.  It is quite inhospitable.
So made them an arc, starting with Fisk in the west, then Stor, then Sangeran to the south and Vulkan closest to the mainland.

And I have made the barrier Islands off Talinie "woods".
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 23, 2013, 12:46:42 AM
I have completed my RoE III compliant map of Cerillia, and uploaded it (it's too big so it's in a 2-part zip archive, and thus 2 downloads).
Part 1
http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=61
Part 2
http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=63

And here is a dropbox link for it:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/brir4okrv9u69yv/RoE%20III%20Full%20Cerilia%20Map.jpg

I have also replaced the Tael Firth map with an up-to-date one
http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=53


And a link to it as well:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/khl3sxrafxbk29g/Tael%20Firth%20%28RoE%20III%29%20-%2022-10-13.jpg

Once again, let me know if anything needs to be changed.

Maybe I should add "Cartographer-General" to my many titles, eh?
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Stjordvik/Varri (Greg) October 23, 2013, 06:41:16 AM
Great maps!  2 thumbs up. :)
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 23, 2013, 03:06:23 PM
Can't get the 2-part DL to work; one is a 001 file and the other is a 002 file. Shouldn't there be just a zip file to start the process?
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 23, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
Not important though; the Dropbox version is very neat.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 23, 2013, 05:29:07 PM
Ah yes, and right you are there Bjorn, so much for 7-Zip's multiple volume function. I can't be bothered trying to figure it out at the moment, so I will use WinRar and re-up them.

ETA: Done, and the links above have been updated, but here they are again, for ease of access, etc.
Part1.
http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=61
Part 2
http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=63
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: DM B October 23, 2013, 06:30:19 PM
From a man who normally vastly prefers what he's made himself:

Splendid work. Could not have made it any better had I tried ;)
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Yggdrasil (DM Andy) October 23, 2013, 10:39:01 PM
Nice work Bob.  It looks great.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 23, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
Merci beaucoup, les gars.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Lurk Skywalker October 31, 2013, 09:13:15 PM
Merci beaucoup, les gars.

You French? Boudiou!
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 31, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
I am le vrai Canadien, eh? One part Anglais, and un part French.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Lurk Skywalker October 31, 2013, 11:07:18 PM
One of our cousins seized from us by the English.  ;D
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) October 31, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
Actually we ran away to the English.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Lurk Skywalker October 31, 2013, 11:39:38 PM
Actually we ran away to the English.

See - centuries of brainwashing  ;D
This is now happening to French from France, fleeing across the Channel, but I won't enter into that, being one of them.
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) November 01, 2013, 01:41:12 AM
Well in our case it was a question of the English - or become Americans. Rather a Morton's fork if ever there was one.
I am actually quite disgusted with my ancestors, they could have gone to Bermuda or the Bahamas, but nooooo, they opted for sunny Canada!!
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Lurk Skywalker November 01, 2013, 12:18:22 PM
Well in our case it was a question of the English - or become Americans. Rather a Morton's fork if ever there was one.
I am actually quite disgusted with my ancestors, they could have gone to Bermuda or the Bahamas, but nooooo, they opted for sunny Canada!!

Fortunately for you there was 1812 :)
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) November 01, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
Ah yes, 1812 - I remember it well....
: Re: Updated Map for RoE III
: Ruideside/OM (RP) December 25, 2013, 07:13:13 PM
A new version with some stuff I left out before, the unnamed provinces given names, & Linde's road network all added.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/brir4okrv9u69yv/RoE%20III%20Full%20Cerilia%20Map.jpg