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: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 02, 2013, 01:25:44 PM
I am sure we all have some - here is the space to ask your fellow players and the evil that was our DM :)

Link to epilogue thread (read only):

http://www.twilightpeaks.net/forum/index.php?topic=2405.0
: Re: End of game questions
: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 02, 2013, 01:28:06 PM
Wallac - what was the deal with that guy? Anything sinister or just plain crazy?
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 02, 2013, 01:33:33 PM
What the hell was that thing Kaven unearthed underneath Ilien?!?
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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 02, 2013, 01:34:45 PM
Where is Orthien Tane now?
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 02:48:57 PM
Wallac - what was the deal with that guy? Anything sinister or just plain crazy?

The only person qualified to answer that is no longer a resident player...

...truth be told I've no idea. Kasper's personality bleeding through I guess.

I just tired to work with his mess in context of his agendas.

Basically the IHH agenda is to cling to the Pontificate at ALL cost.
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
Where is Orthien Tane now?

Somewhere he can plot his revenge against the sodding bastard that betrayed him!
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 02:53:00 PM
Where is Orthien Tane now?

Somewhere he can plot his revenge against the sodding bastard that betrayed him!

Which means he would have been recruitable for a player domain aiming to hurt the SASI and/or its allies.
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 02:54:48 PM
What the hell was that thing Kaven unearthed underneath Ilien?!?

Something utterly alien and horrible - an unexplainable anomaly in the underlying structure of the Cosmos. A place where time and space ceases to have any meaning, where even the power of the gods is as nothing. The seed of something to come - possibly the end of all things.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 03, 2013, 03:24:26 PM
Did the Green Knight die to a poisoned blade slid between his ribs in a fall from the walls of Ilien or did he somehow survive, as Ghorien always expected he had.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 03, 2013, 05:38:58 PM
What was with the infiltrating creature-thingies that only Wallac could identify?
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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 03, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Where is Suris Enlien?  ;D
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
Did the Green Knight die to a poisoned blade slid between his ribs in a fall from the walls of Ilien or did he somehow survive, as Ghorien always expected he had.

The Green Knight survived. He went on to champion for the One True God.
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
What was with the infiltrating creature-thingies that only Wallac could identify?

Doppelgangers - RoE style.
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
Where is Suris Enlien?  ;D

She's still dead...if someone has a certain crescent they might be able to use it to commune with Ruornil through Suris.
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: X-Points East June 03, 2013, 09:09:31 PM

OoC:

How extensive was the network of hidden HoA holdings . . . (1) in Elinie and (2) elsewhere?

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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:12:41 PM

OoC:

How extensive was the network of hidden HoA holdings . . . (1) in Elinie and (2) elsewhere?



In Elinie - limited to the northeast and not very powerful.
In Mhoried - quite extensive.
In Coeranys - limited to the eastern provinces and not very powerful.
Elsewhere - sporadic and not very powerful.
The HoA also have access to other regions through the use of allied domains.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) June 03, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
A couple of questions:

What happened to Regien, did not see him much in the last few turns.
Was the Warlock he who I (as Regien and Constantine) thought?
Was the activity of HoA related to the black prince coming back?
Was Regien visited by a demon infested corpse who was acting as a lieutenant to a temple?
What happened to the only logical priest I ever met in RoE?

Was Daen a scion of the Mhor's line?
What happened to the daughter of the old Mhor who went MIA?


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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 03, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
Who had the real Book of Laws (if anyone)? And if no one had it, where is it?
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:47:04 PM
A couple of questions:

What happened to Regien, did not see him much in the last few turns.
Was the Warlock he who I (as Regien and Constantine) thought?
Was the activity of HoA related to the black prince coming back?
Was Regien visited by a demon infested corpse who was acting as a lieutenant to a temple?
What happened to the only logical priest I ever met in RoE?


Regien was just keeping a low profile and doing some domain-building at the same time. He was also preparing for his eventual death and hoping that a new, strong Wizard of Mhoried would take his place - one that could weather the coming storm and keep Mhoried safe.

The Warlock is Raesene's bastard son. He fled his father's domain, coming west in the hopes of being safe. It is an unanswered question whether or not he would have stood up to the Gorgon had he come knocking on Anuire's door.

Yes.

Pretty much.

Which priest was that?
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: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) June 03, 2013, 09:47:56 PM
Heh, no surprise there. I always believed at least half MS was HoA in disguise...


OoC:

How extensive was the network of hidden HoA holdings . . . (1) in Elinie and (2) elsewhere?


In Mhoried - quite extensive.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) June 03, 2013, 09:49:18 PM
A couple of questions:

What happened to Regien, did not see him much in the last few turns.
Was the Warlock he who I (as Regien and Constantine) thought?
Was the activity of HoA related to the black prince coming back?
Was Regien visited by a demon infested corpse who was acting as a lieutenant to a temple?
What happened to the only logical priest I ever met in RoE?


Regien was just keeping a low profile and doing some domain-building at the same time. He was also preparing for his eventual death and hoping that a new, strong Wizard of Mhoried would take his place - one that could weather the coming storm and keep Mhoried safe.

The Warlock is Raesene's bastard son. He fled his father's domain, coming west in the hopes of being safe. It is an unanswered question whether or not he would have stood up to the Gorgon had he come knocking on Anuire's door.

Yes.

Pretty much.

Which priest was that?


The old pontiff, with whom we made the Warlock a reputable accepted noble in Anuire :) That was my personal triumph at that point!
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Who had the real Book of Laws (if anyone)? And if no one had it, where is it?

Tricky question. The OIT got back the book that was stolen from them - which they with great gravitas can claim is the original. But the other one, the one that got burned, is just as old and authentic. Perhaps they are BOTH 'original' or perhaps neither is.

Simple answer: The OIT book is the original.
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 09:58:08 PM
A couple of questions:

What happened to Regien, did not see him much in the last few turns.
Was the Warlock he who I (as Regien and Constantine) thought?
Was the activity of HoA related to the black prince coming back?
Was Regien visited by a demon infested corpse who was acting as a lieutenant to a temple?
What happened to the only logical priest I ever met in RoE?


Regien was just keeping a low profile and doing some domain-building at the same time. He was also preparing for his eventual death and hoping that a new, strong Wizard of Mhoried would take his place - one that could weather the coming storm and keep Mhoried safe.

The Warlock is Raesene's bastard son. He fled his father's domain, coming west in the hopes of being safe. It is an unanswered question whether or not he would have stood up to the Gorgon had he come knocking on Anuire's door.

Yes.

Pretty much.

Which priest was that?


The old pontiff, with whom we made the Warlock a reputable accepted noble in Anuire :) That was my personal triumph at that point!

Haha, old Aurlien. Well, since Jon was going to Co-DM we had to get rid of him. So he took up the role of a wandering priest. Watching the borders of Anuire and all that (keeping an eye on the Gorgon). He's even made a few brief appearances in RoE2.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 03, 2013, 10:07:44 PM
Abstract question: Who was closest to learning the "truth" about the threats Anuire was/is facing? I mean, apart from the guys who where in cahots with evil, which regent was furthest along the road to Plot-wise enlightenment?
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 03, 2013, 10:11:27 PM
Oh, and speaking of Suris Enlien, was old man Hierl still alive somewhere, and was there ever a possibility of him striding back into his court one fine morning to teach his unruly sons a thing or two about leadership?
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Oh, and speaking of Suris Enlien, was old man Hierl still alive somewhere, and was there ever a possibility of him striding back into his court one fine morning to teach his unruly sons a thing or two about leadership?

No. HD had been written out of the story. He is out there, somewhere, but he's turned his back to the Daylight World for good. Wandering the planes with Suris Enlien as his only company :'(
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 03, 2013, 10:14:14 PM
Finaly, how does one end the Red Wind, and does it at all involve throwing rocks at him?!
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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 03, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
Oh, and speaking of Suris Enlien, was old man Hierl still alive somewhere, and was there ever a possibility of him striding back into his court one fine morning to teach his unruly sons a thing or two about leadership?

No. HD had been written out of the story. He is out there, somewhere, but he's turned his back to the Daylight World for good. Wandering the planes with Suris Enlien as his only company :'(

That is an oddly fitting end :)
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
Abstract question: Who was closest to learning the "truth" about the threats Anuire was/is facing? I mean, apart from the guys who where in cahots with evil, which regent was furthest along the road to Plot-wise enlightenment?

Now isn't that a leading question! :)

Kaven Enlien got pretty deep into it. Had you kept playing him he might have delved even further.

Also Tristan Bellamie. That's one of the great downs of not playing on; I won't get to see how the Tristan storyline might have played out.
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 10:15:42 PM
Oh, and speaking of Suris Enlien, was old man Hierl still alive somewhere, and was there ever a possibility of him striding back into his court one fine morning to teach his unruly sons a thing or two about leadership?

No. HD had been written out of the story. He is out there, somewhere, but he's turned his back to the Daylight World for good. Wandering the planes with Suris Enlien as his only company :'(

That is an oddly fitting end :)

I know!
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 03, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
Finaly, how does one end the Red Wind, and does it at all involve throwing rocks at him?!

He can only be killed by 'the Blood of the Dragon'. Which is sort of ambiguous I guess (though there were clues to be found). More concretely: Drago was one such. Marquis Moergan another. Plus one more (at least).

Can be killed as in 'if this person deals the killing blow then the RW's invulnerability is negated and he can truly be slain'. Dragon did try at the Red Wind once if you recall - but it didn't work out because he lacked the necessary support.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 03, 2013, 10:23:27 PM
Was Toreas the holiest man in Anuire?  8)
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: DM B June 03, 2013, 10:27:39 PM
Was Toreas the holiest man in Anuire?  8)

Indeed he was. Blessed by Haelyn. Destined to do great deeds during the dark days to come.
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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 03, 2013, 10:30:36 PM
Was Toreas the holiest man in Anuire?  8)

Indeed he was. Blessed by Haelyn. Destined to do great deeds during the dark days to come.

Now I want to continue RoEII  :(

(But apart from that, you put my mind at ease  8))
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: X-Aerenwe/TS (Miloš) June 03, 2013, 11:53:19 PM
Some Aerenwe-centric questions. Feel free to ignore those you might want to use for RoE3.

1) Who killed Rhuobhe?
2) Did Braedonnal Tuare absorb Rhuobhe's bloodline and start on a path of becoming an Awnshegh?
3) Was there something sinister behind William Osoer? How did he really get resurrected?
4) Did Tristan Bellamie really have some artifact granting him great powers or was it all about his gold?
5) Where is High Warden Lasarus?
6) Was Points East working for Osoer all the time?
7) Who is the father of ETN High Priestess' child?
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 12:06:43 AM
Did the spying creature GH delivered into the inner sanctum of the ETN when they healed his arm do anything fun and exciting while it was there? :)
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: X-Aerenwe/TS (Miloš) June 04, 2013, 12:07:58 AM
Did the spying creature GH delivered into the inner sanctum of the ETN when they healed his arm do anything fun and exciting while it was there? :)

Is that the answer to my question 7? :D
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: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) June 04, 2013, 12:37:53 AM
Why would we want to end the red wind?
He was such a nice guy.
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: X-Mieres & SAS/AV (Mark) June 04, 2013, 01:37:54 AM
Dude,

I was ALL over that.  The Governator was planning a little reconnaissance voyage to look into o'l Breezy.  He just couldn't believe HE was the one doing it.
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: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) June 04, 2013, 02:50:00 AM
What was with the infiltrating creature-thingies that only Wallac could identify?

Doppelgangers - RoE style.

Wallac was a HACK.  Tristan did more than half his work on those guys.  All those research and adventure actions, all those dead doppelgangers... all those long, LONG torture sessions finding out how to actually make them feel pain properly.... And do I get any credit?  Nope.  Wallac really had a knack for alienating allies.
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: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) June 04, 2013, 03:06:46 AM
Some Aerenwe-centric questions. Feel free to ignore those you might want to use for RoE3.

1) Who killed Rhuobhe?
2) Did Braedonnal Tuare absorb Rhuobhe's bloodline and start on a path of becoming an Awnshegh?
3) Was there something sinister behind William Osoer? How did he really get resurrected?
4) Did Tristan Bellamie really have some artifact granting him great powers or was it all about his gold?
5) Where is High Warden Lasarus?
6) Was Points East working for Osoer all the time?
7) Who is the father of ETN High Priestess' child?

4) Oh, yes.  Tristan carried the Eye of the Serpent, and it was driving him stark raving mad.  It was an Azrai bloodstone (or a mass of them) the size of a child's HEAD, with a consciousness built from the wills of all the people it had consumed over the centuries.  He found and awakened it back in RoE 1, without knowing what it was at the time, and DAMN I WILL MISS IT.  It strengthened his bloodline, assisted his realm actions, and occasionally even cast a small set of realm spells for him.  And it taught him to be a Shadow Caster - basically a Sorceror, but using Shadow Magic instead of Daylight Magic, of level equal to his CHARACTER level. 

And then he threw it away.

I'm really glad I at least got that far... Tristan put the Eye back on the shelf in the vaults where he found it and left it there forever, just before launching his attempted takeover of Aerenwe.  Severed all ties.  He knew it would eventually destroy him (although he had no idea how far along the destruction already was), and he was determined that conquering Aerenwe would be HIS victory, not its.  Lost everything it gave him except his Shadow Magic, but it's possible he ditched it soon enough to survive.  Of course, then the conquest went downhill fast, so maybe he threw it away too soon.  :P

3) Do I count?  I did my best to guide him!  ;)
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 08:11:47 AM
1) What was the cause of undead walking in northern Alamie and Tuornen? was it related to the Warlock as I guessed?

2) Who did kill Brandon Boer?

3) Where did Anastasie Daulton go and why did she leave CA?

4) Was Draco Moergan going to become what Jaison Raenech was in RoE I?
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 08:18:52 AM
I killed Brandon Boer - my single most expensive action of the game - and was in fact multiple actions to achieve it.

GH tied his fortune to that of Avanil at the Sword and Crown - it seemed to buy credibility and put him square into the "serious realm" bracket he was aiming for. GHieste sent an army. GH killed a vassal of Avan at his request. And then he asked "who will rid me of this troublesome Boer" essentially - only more blatant than that.

Ghorien obliged.

Though I think others should be glad; just imagine the mess if GE had spent those energies on developing mhoried, Alamie or osoerde interests ;)
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 08:21:24 AM
I also came within a gnat's whisker of kidnapping another regent and wangling concessions from them ;)
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: DM B June 04, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
Did the spying creature GH delivered into the inner sanctum of the ETN when they healed his arm do anything fun and exciting while it was there? :)


Yes. it poisoned the pregnant High Priestess of the ETN, nearly killing her (but thankfully Nesirie is also a goddess of healing, not just for summoning undead).
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
I killed Brandon Boer - my single most expensive action of the game - and was in fact multiple actions to achieve it.

GH tied his fortune to that of Avanil at the Sword and Crown - it seemed to buy credibility and put him square into the "serious realm" bracket he was aiming for. GHieste sent an army. GH killed a vassal of Avan at his request. And then he asked "who will rid me of this troublesome Boer" essentially - only more blatant than that.

Ghorien obliged.

Though I think others should be glad; just imagine the mess if GE had spent those energies on developing mhoried, Alamie or osoerde interests ;)

That you did you very bad man.

I think several players should be very happy that you let hundreds of gold bars drain away like blood into the earth of the West...what if you had pursued a guild strategy in the north and east instead? It would have made the life of the MS and PETG rather more complicated I'd say.

Oh, and let's not forget you found the resources to meddle in Ilien, Elinie AND Aerenwe too!
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 09:38:54 AM
*whistles innocently*

It kept *everyone* else busy. They were all worrying about what I was up to politically and not digging around in my trash! It was in fact all a Kansas City Shuffle! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Shuffle

Ilien was about Diemed and his recognition. While Aerenwe and Elinie were about keeping Osoer busy - though even Ghorien would not do the terrible thing Elinie asked of him :)
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 09:48:55 AM
Some Aerenwe-centric questions. Feel free to ignore those you might want to use for RoE3.

1) Who killed Rhuobhe?
2) Did Braedonnal Tuare absorb Rhuobhe's bloodline and start on a path of becoming an Awnshegh?
3) Was there something sinister behind William Osoer? How did he really get resurrected?
4) Did Tristan Bellamie really have some artifact granting him great powers or was it all about his gold?
5) Where is High Warden Lasarus?
6) Was Points East working for Osoer all the time?
7) Who is the father of ETN High Priestess' child?

1. Braedonnal Tuare
2. Indeed he did; but such a transformation takes time. Bredonnal would rule his new scattered elven and half-elven kingdom well for quite some time.
3. Nothing sinister. Just a man with too much responsibility trying to make his way through a dark and difficult world. Resurrected by the grace of Haelyn (through the High Prefect Hubaere Arminedin).
4. Errr...yes! A very old and powerful bloodstone of Azrai - the Eye of the Viper. Lost for a long time it resurfaced in Tristans hands. it promises great power - and eventual ruin. As can be seen from the handful of Khinasi realms it has destroyed.
5. On a walkabout. In the Sielwode. In Tuarhievel. In the Corwn. The list goes on.
6. Hell no!
7. High Marshall Robhan.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 09:49:24 AM
I killed Brandon Boer - my single most expensive action of the game - and was in fact multiple actions to achieve it.

Though I think others should be glad; just imagine the mess if GE had spent those energies on developing mhoried, Alamie or osoerde interests ;)

You did well, I never supposed you were the killer.

I know you were a rich guy, ready to open his coffers to gain respect among anuire's nobility, and so I made an alliance with you :-)

: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 09:50:02 AM
Why would we want to end the red wind?
He was such a nice guy.

I know!

He was by far the nicest NPC in RoE2.
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
Who was the One True God? Azrai?
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: DM B June 04, 2013, 09:55:07 AM
1) What was the cause of undead walking in northern Alamie and Tuornen? was it related to the Warlock as I guessed?

2) Who did kill Brandon Boer?

3) Where did Anastasie Daulton go and why did she leave CA?

4) Was Draco Moergan going to become what Jaison Raenech was in RoE I?

1. Not as such. It was the lingering effects of the Eyeless One's magic (from RoE1). But the Warlock didn't do anything to fix it either, because it created such a nice buffer between him and civilization.

2. Agents of Ghieste.

3. Into the Five Peaks, searching for the Hidden Temple. If she found it she would have qualified as a potential slayer of the Red Wind.

4. Too early to tell. His main function was to be dangerous and unpredictably independent...so that it would be a difficult choice for the players if they wanted to groom him or get rid of him. He could have been a great general if/when the Gorgon came knocking...but he might not have played along well with wathever power games were going on at the time.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 09:56:40 AM
I also came within a gnat's whisker of kidnapping another regent and wangling concessions from them ;)

Indeed you did - with a little help from your Princess f(r)iend.

That kidnapping was an example of how weird thing can get when players let the narrative take them places their DOs do not. In RP terms the kidnapping should have worked out quite nicely. In terms of the domain rules, not so well.
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 09:57:22 AM
Marco - yes well... GH stopped an assassination of the good Duke at the Sword and Crown, so you had reason to be thankful even though you never knew it. I believe some of your court were nasty cultists the same as ghorien - I am sure the all knowing DM will be amused to reveal the truth of that too ;)
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:00:18 AM
Who was the One True God? Azrai?

The One True God is the One True God: He who came before. He who knows all. He who forgives all. He is the never-ending light who protects us from the darkness that gnaws at the roots of creation. All other gods are but an aspect of the One True God, imperfectly glimpsed by the imperfect hearts and minds of men. There are no other gods but the One True God.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 04, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
Now that Toreas could recognize the dopplegangers - any persons of interest he might see "differently" next time he met them?
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
Marco - yes well... GH stopped an assassination of the good Duke at the Sword and Crown, so you had reason to be thankful even though you never knew it. I believe some of your court were nasty cultists the same as ghorien - I am sure the all knowing DM will be amused to reveal the truth of that too ;)

That is correct. Alamie's Chamberlain is a nasty dark-hearted cultist. With Anasatiae Daulton out of town his next move would be getting rid of the Duke, marrying a suitable noblewoman and setting himself up as regent (until such a time as he had the heir and power requied to get rid of the Duke's child).

Later he would face the same dillemma as Ghorien - try to keep his ill-gotten gains or bow before the Gorgon's  might? In his case the latters seems more likely, but perhaps if Ghorien turned traitor he would do the opposite.

All this assuming his plots would succeed (not given).
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:05:32 AM
Dude,

I was ALL over that.  The Governator was planning a little reconnaissance voyage to look into o'l Breezy.  He just couldn't believe HE was the one doing it.

I was looking forward to that expedition. I was quite hoping that the religious zeal of the people of Eustan would really hammer down the insidious nature of the faith of the One. When you got back you would then have the opportunity to see the signs of the new faith within your own realm - and gotten the opportuinty to decide wether to fight it og embrace it.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 10:12:58 AM
The One True God is the One True God: He who came before. He who knows all. He who forgives all. He is the never-ending light who protects us from the darkness that gnaws at the roots of creation. All other gods are but an aspect of the One True God, imperfectly glimpsed by the imperfect hearts and minds of men. There are no other gods but the One True God.

HERESY! BURN THE HERETIC!
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 10:13:37 AM
Who was behind the dopplegangers' affair?
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 10:17:40 AM
was Sarae Somellin brought back from death by Eloéle?
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:43:54 AM
Who was behind the dopplegangers' affair?

The Gorgon. Through the Hand of Azrai.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:45:28 AM
Was Toreas the holiest man in Anuire?  8)

Possibly. Nothing concrete planned, but who knows what future investigations might have dig up? At any rate Bobby helped get rid of the worst of the infestation, which was largely limited to the south/east anyways, so the WIT was not really affected.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:47:23 AM
A couple of questions:

What happened to Regien, did not see him much in the last few turns.
Was the Warlock he who I (as Regien and Constantine) thought?
Was the activity of HoA related to the black prince coming back?
Was Regien visited by a demon infested corpse who was acting as a lieutenant to a temple?
What happened to the only logical priest I ever met in RoE?


1. Regien was just keeping a low profile and doing some domain-building at the same time. He was also preparing for his eventual death and hoping that a new, strong Wizard of Mhoried would take his place - one that could weather the coming storm and keep Mhoried safe.

2. The Warlock is Raesene's bastard son. He fled his father's domain, coming west in the hopes of being safe. It is an unanswered question whether or not he would have stood up to the Gorgon had he come knocking on Anuire's door.

3. Yes.

4. Pretty much.

5. Which priest was that?


To no. 4: Not a lieutenant. More like an agent.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:49:44 AM
A couple of questions:

1. Was Daen a scion of the Mhor's line?

2. What happened to the daughter of the old Mhor who went MIA?


1. As replied to in the chat: Yes. And a trueborn son. The young would-be-Mhor was married to his commoner love by a priest of Erik (can't trust those tree-huggers!)

2. Not entirely sure about this reference - do you have a name or something more?
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: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:52:02 AM
What was with the infiltrating creature-thingies that only Wallac could identify?

Doppelgangers - RoE style.

Wallac was a HACK.  Tristan did more than half his work on those guys.  All those research and adventure actions, all those dead doppelgangers... all those long, LONG torture sessions finding out how to actually make them feel pain properly.... And do I get any credit?  Nope.  Wallac really had a knack for alienating allies.

To be honest you were trying to paint your actions in a good light - it would not hurt to have the Pontiff on your side if you were...exposed. On the other hand he might have turned on you; hard to tell with the mercurial Pontiff.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 11:06:51 AM
Who was controlling the Obelisk of Thenial when EOM, Arron Vaumel, ETC and Wallac tried to seize it? the RW?
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 12:59:25 PM
Who was controlling the Obelisk of Thenial when EOM, Arron Vaumel, ETC and Wallac tried to seize it? the RW?

The rw was using it as a source, but other than that he did nothing.

The obelisk is just one of those ancient and dark artefacts you do not throw rocks at.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 04, 2013, 01:25:43 PM
The obelisk is just one of those ancient and dark artefacts you do not throw rocks at.

Best answer yet!
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 01:54:54 PM
The obelisk is just one of those ancient and dark artefacts you do not throw rocks at.

it was not a fault of mine. Arron Vaumel did :-)
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) June 04, 2013, 02:07:49 PM
Has the Sword Mage die in the Fells?

and why did she get there?
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 02:36:30 PM
Has the Sword Mage die in the Fells?

and why did she get there?

The Sword Mage is still alive, although her expedition into the Spiderfell didn't go exactly as planned (i.e. all the troops that went in died and she returned...a changed woman).
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Mieres & SAS/AV (Mark) June 04, 2013, 07:05:37 PM
The obelisk is just one of those ancient and dark artefacts you do not throw rocks at.

it was not a fault of mine. Arron Vaumel did :-)



DUDE!  That was totally your fault.  Her, Marie, and the Pontiff were all looking at the thing and Vamuel was TRYING to make a point.  The point being if we were going to investigate this thing it was in all our best interests that one of YOU three do it.  Cause God knows what havoc he'd cause if the Governor tried....... come to think of it I believe the point was made QUITE well.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 08:20:19 PM

and why did she get there?

Sorry, missed the second part:

She was going to set up and ambush for the goblin sorcerer controlling the Spiderfell's sources. It backfired spectacularly.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Points East June 04, 2013, 08:35:34 PM

OoC:

Gerad ibn Daouta and the daughter of Teried Riordian died in Osoeriene:  what was the story, in more detail?

: Re: End of game questions
: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) June 04, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
A couple of questions:

1. Was Daen a scion of the Mhor's line?

2. What happened to the daughter of the old Mhor who went MIA?


1. As replied to in the chat: Yes. And a trueborn son. The young would-be-Mhor was married to his commoner love by a priest of Erik (can't trust those tree-huggers!)

2. Not entirely sure about this reference - do you have a name or something more?

Correction, she was a Kavarra daughter.

Your father’s firstborn was not you (Droene), but his precious daughter Deirdre (b. 1508). She disappeared in the Imperial City during the Sword & Crown in 1525 HC. She was visiting relative in the IC. Her body was never found, and all you investigations ended at the High prefect of the IHH being the last man to be seen with your daughter. Ten years have no gone by, and yet justice has not been done.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Mieres & SAS/AV (Mark) June 04, 2013, 09:51:57 PM
Here is a question, was that whole "crusade in the east" as big a distraction as I thought it was?
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:13:10 PM

OoC:

Gerad ibn Daouta and the daughter of Teried Riordian died in Osoeriene:  what was the story, in more detail?



I guess that could be the one he was looking for - it was the 'missing' part that had me confused.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
A couple of questions:

1. Was Daen a scion of the Mhor's line?

2. What happened to the daughter of the old Mhor who went MIA?


1. As replied to in the chat: Yes. And a trueborn son. The young would-be-Mhor was married to his commoner love by a priest of Erik (can't trust those tree-huggers!)

2. Not entirely sure about this reference - do you have a name or something more?

Correction, she was a Kavarra daughter.

Your father’s firstborn was not you (Droene), but his precious daughter Deirdre (b. 1508). She disappeared in the Imperial City during the Sword & Crown in 1525 HC. She was visiting relative in the IC. Her body was never found, and all you investigations ended at the High prefect of the IHH being the last man to be seen with your daughter. Ten years have no gone by, and yet justice has not been done.

She was killed by the Sworn Lovers (in RoE1), two fiendish mages working for Osoerde.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:18:59 PM
Here is a question, was that whole "crusade in the east" as big a distraction as I thought it was?

That depends on how big you thought it was...

But yes, it was ultimately a distraction of sorts. A wonderful one though - promised to suck away much gold and manpower from Anuire.

I think it would have become one of the most exiting parts of the game had we continued - not a bad feat for a distraction!
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 04, 2013, 10:42:03 PM

OoC:

Gerad ibn Daouta and the daughter of Teried Riordian died in Osoeriene:  what was the story, in more detail?



I guess that could be the one he was looking for - it was the 'missing' part that had me confused.

I'm sorry, but I don't recall the details. It's been too long. If you jog my memory I might recall...
: Re: End of game questions
: X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor) June 05, 2013, 11:07:15 AM
1) Why did GH try to kill MC (twice, if I recall it correctly) and where did he get such an advanced technology/magic?

2) Was MC's father really "put to rest", or was he still around, ready to create some mess? Would he help MC if asked?

3) What was Rhoubhe's motive for his extravagant enterprise in Caelcorwynn? How did he get his units there?
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 05, 2013, 12:15:49 PM
1) Why did GH try to kill MC (twice, if I recall it correctly) and where did he get such an advanced technology/magic?

2) Was MC's father really "put to rest", or was he still around, ready to create some mess? Would he help MC if asked?

3) What was Rhoubhe's motive for his extravagant enterprise in Caelcorwynn? How did he get his units there?

1. I recall only that one time with the spider-thingy; and that wasn't really GH's work (though admittedly he did bring the thing into your court). GH was just acting on behalf of another (Alamier's Chamberlain as a matter of fact, although GH didn't know that).

When was the second time?

2. Moeran was more of a restless ghost. He kept interfering/helping Geraldine/Ilien, so me might have aided Maire IF it was  to the benefit of Ilien (in his opionion).

3. Rhuobhe was taking a more active role in the affairs of elves all over Anuire. He was mostly there for the Erebannien - Caelcorwynn was just a side show (though I guess he was curious too - an elven realm, forgotten for so long). He didn't really bring too many of his own men; most of the elven host was made up of local sidhe + magic. Technically he transported his host (those that he brough with him) over.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor) June 05, 2013, 02:29:28 PM
1) Why did GH try to kill MC (twice, if I recall it correctly) and where did he get such an advanced technology/magic?

1. I recall only that one time with the spider-thingy; and that wasn't really GH's work (though admittedly he did bring the thing into your court). GH was just acting on behalf of another (Alamier's Chamberlain as a matter of fact, although GH didn't know that).

When was the second time?

There were 2 those spider-like things. One attacked MC in Ilien. Second attacked in ETN court in Calrie about the same time and killed unnamed priestess (though probably seeked for MC).

And why would Alamies's Chamberlain want MC's death and how he made GH serve him?
: Re: End of game questions
: X-DM Jon June 05, 2013, 07:04:29 PM
Wallac - what was the deal with that guy? Anything sinister or just plain crazy?

I'd say it was a matter of a completely impossible major agenda, which the player tried to achieve anyway. Unfortunately, the same personality that got him to try to finish the agenda, was also the one that got him into conflict with a lot of others. His sense of what was truly achievable didn't really synch with what the world was throwing in his face...

 I have a great deal of respect for him, he took my creation and kept it alive - if nothing else than through sheer force of annoyance. Everyone knew that the CoT was truly a dangerous organization if you left it in the hands of just anyone. It was too bad that Bjørn gave him that mission though, might as well have given him "major mission - lose the game whatever you do".
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) June 05, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
GH bargained dropping that spider into ETN's temple in exchange for stopping the hit on the Duke of Alamie who he wanted to keep alive at the time.

As is Bjorn is slightly incorrect in that I was very sure who it was I was talking to, though I never 100% confirmed it.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-DM Jon June 05, 2013, 07:14:32 PM
A couple of questions:

What happened to Regien, did not see him much in the last few turns.
Was the Warlock he who I (as Regien and Constantine) thought?
Was the activity of HoA related to the black prince coming back?
Was Regien visited by a demon infested corpse who was acting as a lieutenant to a temple?
What happened to the only logical priest I ever met in RoE?

Was Daen a scion of the Mhor's line?
What happened to the daughter of the old Mhor who went MIA?




"The most logical priest" - ah now I understand why he ended up losing his post :D

 Gielbert Aurlien went up against the Gorgon at a crucial point in the recovery of the Book of Laws. He basically drew his fire while the rest were allowed to escape.

 He fought the Gorgon for a few rounds in the awnsheglien's library, then he got his ribcage crushed by a thrown bookshelf. By this time the others had fled behind a wall of force planted in the underground corridor. The Gorgon rushed after them, but was pricked most annoyingly by Gielbert's last act, a summoned lantern archon, zapping the great beast with DR ignoring rays of light.
 Quite annoyed, the Gorgon didn't manage to catch the fleeing heroes with the Book of Laws.

 Then Gielbert melded into the earth - and you can read the rest in "All the earth I have".
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 05, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
1) Why did GH try to kill MC (twice, if I recall it correctly) and where did he get such an advanced technology/magic?

1. I recall only that one time with the spider-thingy; and that wasn't really GH's work (though admittedly he did bring the thing into your court). GH was just acting on behalf of another (Alamier's Chamberlain as a matter of fact, although GH didn't know that).

When was the second time?

There were 2 those spider-like things. One attacked MC in Ilien. Second attacked in ETN court in Calrie about the same time and killed unnamed priestess (though probably seeked for MC).

And why would Alamies's Chamberlain want MC's death and how he made GH serve him?


Alamie's Chamberlain was a cultist MOST vile. Possible the vilest man in all of Anuire. In the event he was also doing some work from the HoA, which included killing off high clergy.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 05, 2013, 07:57:03 PM
GH bargained dropping that spider into ETN's temple in exchange for stopping the hit on the Duke of Alamie who he wanted to keep alive at the time.

As is Bjorn is slightly incorrect in that I was very sure who it was I was talking to, though I never 100% confirmed it.

Now that you mention it...it's been too long for me to remember all the details. Only 95% of them :D
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 05, 2013, 07:59:00 PM
Wallac - what was the deal with that guy? Anything sinister or just plain crazy?

I'd say it was a matter of a completely impossible major agenda, which the player tried to achieve anyway. Unfortunately, the same personality that got him to try to finish the agenda, was also the one that got him into conflict with a lot of others. His sense of what was truly achievable didn't really synch with what the world was throwing in his face...

 I have a great deal of respect for him, he took my creation and kept it alive - if nothing else than through sheer force of annoyance. Everyone knew that the CoT was truly a dangerous organization if you left it in the hands of just anyone. It was too bad that Bjørn gave him that mission though, might as well have given him "major mission - lose the game whatever you do".

I could pretty much argue that all major agendas are impossible...

IHH's wasn't so bad IMO - with some diplomacy he could have held the office in return for major concessions to the other temples. Difficult, yes, but doable.

But I'll grant you - not doable for Kasper, because he lacked the diplomatic suave than would have been required to pull it off.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 05, 2013, 10:13:36 PM
Wallac - what was the deal with that guy? Anything sinister or just plain crazy?

I'd say it was a matter of a completely impossible major agenda, which the player tried to achieve anyway. Unfortunately, the same personality that got him to try to finish the agenda, was also the one that got him into conflict with a lot of others. His sense of what was truly achievable didn't really synch with what the world was throwing in his face...

 I have a great deal of respect for him, he took my creation and kept it alive - if nothing else than through sheer force of annoyance. Everyone knew that the CoT was truly a dangerous organization if you left it in the hands of just anyone. It was too bad that Bjørn gave him that mission though, might as well have given him "major mission - lose the game whatever you do".

I could pretty much argue that all major agendas are impossible...

IHH's wasn't so bad IMO - with some diplomacy he could have held the office in return for major concessions to the other temples. Difficult, yes, but doable.

But I'll grant you - not doable for Kasper, because he lacked the diplomatic suave than would have been required to pull it off.

He also tried to pull it off within his 2 year stint instead of building up to it - if he'd gone for a "this is how the job should be done" 1st round, made sure that other temples were ho hum/failed, then when IHH's turn came around again they'd be more likely to get a longer period - assuming that he couldn't get elected at some point as a regent-Pontiff following some major foul-up by a successor, or get a "supporting role" made that he could maneuver into and use to maintain a measure authority.

Any attempt to win a major agenda in 8 seasons (well, 10 thanks to WIT) from nothing flat is doomed to failure in my view, they are more decades-long goals rooted in the heart of an organisation in my view.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor) June 05, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
He also tried to pull it off within his 2 year stint instead of building up to it - if he'd gone for a "this is how the job should be done" 1st round, made sure that other temples were ho hum/failed, then when IHH's turn came around again they'd be more likely to get a longer period - assuming that he couldn't get elected at some point as a regent-Pontiff following some major foul-up by a successor, or get a "supporting role" made that he could maneuver into and use to maintain a measure authority.

Any attempt to win a major agenda in 8 seasons (well, 10 thanks to WIT) from nothing flat is doomed to failure in my view, they are more decades-long goals rooted in the heart of an organisation in my view.

He wouldn't get the second chance within the scope of the game.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 06, 2013, 12:33:14 AM

He wouldn't get the second chance within the scope of the game.

You mean, the present charter wouldn't allow him to get a second chance within the scope of the game.

But charters can be changed, pontiffs can die, wars and all manner of unexpected events can happen. I don't see the agenda as impossible. Tough, yes, but not impossible. He could even ally himself with some secular power and have them instate him by force if need be. God knows there's plenty of inspiration to get from popes (and antipopes) throughout the ages.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Mieres & SAS/AV (Mark) June 06, 2013, 12:42:37 AM
And it wasn't like he didn't have friends :D.

What's really eating me is whether I missed anything.  Like I left anything hanging that was about to come and bite me right in the arse.  (The Governor has some healthy and unhealthy paranoia)
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Points East June 06, 2013, 03:14:15 AM

OoC:

What happened to Karlaf (of House Nathal)?

: Re: End of game questions
: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 06, 2013, 07:50:53 AM
And it wasn't like he didn't have friends :D.

What's really eating me is whether I missed anything.  Like I left anything hanging that was about to come and bite me right in the arse.  (The Governor has some healthy and unhealthy paranoia)

Well Avanese troops where stationed in Mhistecai's realm, if that is what you are considering. Signed a treaty calling her to my aid in case Avanil got attacked by the shadows minions, and in return I would help her against local Governal aggression. I needed Mieres back under my yoke as part of my agenda after all. And if you went and started something, I could ferry in men in using that as are pretense. I also considered using the Diemean colonies as a staging ground if need be.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 06, 2013, 08:23:22 AM
And it wasn't like he didn't have friends :D.

What's really eating me is whether I missed anything.  Like I left anything hanging that was about to come and bite me right in the arse.  (The Governor has some healthy and unhealthy paranoia)

Well Avanese troops where stationed in Mhistecai's realm, if that is what you are considering. Signed a treaty calling her to my aid in case Avanil got attacked by the shadows minions, and in return I would help her against local Governal aggression. I needed Mieres back under my yoke as part of my agenda after all. And if you went and started something, I could ferry in men in using that as are pretense. I also considered using the Diemean colonies as a staging ground if need be.

Plus what I mentioned in the Chat - when your expedition got back from Eustan there would soon be signs of...heresy.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 06, 2013, 08:26:00 AM

OoC:

What happened to Karlaf (of House Nathal)?



He went East, looking for the place where the sun rises. Perhaps he found it, perhaps he did not.
: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 06, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
Temple Major for the OIT:

Major agenda
* Reclaim the spiritual leadership of true Orthodoxy – it is time to show Anuire that the OIT is the real source of religious truth.
[The primary Orthodox temples of Anuire – HA, MOC, and ETN – must become vassals of the OIT. Partial completion if you manage only two of the three.]

Sounds like it would be mildly challenging? Getting three major PC temple to submitt to vassalage? Or a long-term goal requiring not only skill, but perhaps some of Sarimie's blessings?
: Re: End of game questions
: X-DM Jon June 06, 2013, 06:40:36 PM
Temple Major for the OIT:

Major agenda
* Reclaim the spiritual leadership of true Orthodoxy – it is time to show Anuire that the OIT is the real source of religious truth.
[The primary Orthodox temples of Anuire – HA, MOC, and ETN – must become vassals of the OIT. Partial completion if you manage only two of the three.]

Sounds like it would be mildly challenging? Getting three major PC temple to submitt to vassalage? Or a long-term goal requiring not only skill, but perhaps some of Sarimie's blessings?


That was the same in RoE 1... Considering that the others had "independence" as their major agendas, it was basically impossible. I have no idea how the NPC Cardinal Briesen managed to pull it off, but it wasn't exactly something I took as a serious agenda to follow. The CoT was the closest I ever got to solving it. (And it drove me crazy along the way  ;))

 I think that the major temple agendas, at least for the biggies, were too much. If you wanted to compete with the other players on who could rack up the most points, forget about the major agendas. I knew the agendas of all the domains and I can say that they weren't as unbalanced as the Haelynic majors. The comparison would be demanding Avanil to become emperor, Mhoried to defeat the Gorgon once and for all, etc.
 For another round of RoE, I would suggest either turning down temple demands or increasing landed demands.

Or include a third category of agenda - the great agenda - which would always be something like "become Pontiff of all Anuire" or "Emperor". Etc.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-DM Jon June 06, 2013, 07:03:09 PM

He wouldn't get the second chance within the scope of the game.

You mean, the present charter wouldn't allow him to get a second chance within the scope of the game.

But charters can be changed, pontiffs can die, wars and all manner of unexpected events can happen. I don't see the agenda as impossible. Tough, yes, but not impossible. He could even ally himself with some secular power and have them instate him by force if need be. God knows there's plenty of inspiration to get from popes (and antipopes) throughout the ages.

And no historical examples of religious splits, once entrenched, of being restored outside of near complete destruction like what happened with the Cathars. Which is why Christianity in Europe f.ex. has mostly turned into a national matter.


 The "keep the Pontifficate" agenda was completely impossible and what's worse, it didn't even fit within the scope of the game. No wonder Kasper went crazy and gave up along the way... I spoke to him a lot, trying to help and I can say that the pressure definitely got to him. He basically had the agenda "make every temple domain player do as you say", so it spread beyond holdings, RP and GB's and became a uniquely diplomatic agenda - one where he had to beat or convince all of you OoC as well as IC.

 Compare the PeTG agenda, or any of the landed agendas. A lot of them had clearly defined (draconian) goals.

 He should just have done the same as me, ignore the (much easier OIT RoE 1) agenda and approach it sideways, hoping to catch Bjørn off guard with some crazy idea like I did with the CoT.
: Re: End of game questions
: X-DM Jon June 06, 2013, 07:42:38 PM
Wallac - what was the deal with that guy? Anything sinister or just plain crazy?

I'd say it was a matter of a completely impossible major agenda, which the player tried to achieve anyway. Unfortunately, the same personality that got him to try to finish the agenda, was also the one that got him into conflict with a lot of others. His sense of what was truly achievable didn't really synch with what the world was throwing in his face...

 I have a great deal of respect for him, he took my creation and kept it alive - if nothing else than through sheer force of annoyance. Everyone knew that the CoT was truly a dangerous organization if you left it in the hands of just anyone. It was too bad that Bjørn gave him that mission though, might as well have given him "major mission - lose the game whatever you do".

I could pretty much argue that all major agendas are impossible...

IHH's wasn't so bad IMO - with some diplomacy he could have held the office in return for major concessions to the other temples. Difficult, yes, but doable.

But I'll grant you - not doable for Kasper, because he lacked the diplomatic suave than would have been required to pull it off.

Completely agree on Kasper :)  he approached it head-on where he should have considered the many ways of interpreting it or for that matter reinterpreting it using a change agenda action.

But I still think that the Haelynic temple agendas should have been more focused, but perhaps that can be solved by introducing a "great agenda".
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) June 06, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
Bjorn - What was the deal with the Wraith-Sorceror under Ilien, who claimed to be me? Or at least to have the same name as me and a sword that was identical to mine?

Oh, and what would have happened to me if I hadn't ditched the Eye when I did?  Conversely, would there have been direct consequences BECAUSE I ditched the Eye?
: Re: End of game questions
: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 06, 2013, 08:05:34 PM

And no historical examples of religious splits, once entrenched, of being restored outside of near complete destruction like what happened with the Cathars. Which is why Christianity in Europe f.ex. has mostly turned into a national matter.


 The "keep the Pontifficate" agenda was completely impossible and what's worse, it didn't even fit within the scope of the game. No wonder Kasper went crazy and gave up along the way... I spoke to him a lot, trying to help and I can say that the pressure definitely got to him. He basically had the agenda "make every temple domain player do as you say", so it spread beyond holdings, RP and GB's and became a uniquely diplomatic agenda - one where he had to beat or convince all of you OoC as well as IC.

 Compare the PeTG agenda, or any of the landed agendas. A lot of them had clearly defined (draconian) goals.

 He should just have done the same as me, ignore the (much easier OIT RoE 1) agenda and approach it sideways, hoping to catch Bjørn off guard with some crazy idea like I did with the CoT.

Religious splits being restored would be akin to the Haelynite temples uniting under one temple again. That's a religious splitting. And I agree that that happening would be next to impossible. But it's not at all the same as retaining the "papacy" indefinitely. And there are several examples of popes being deposed, exiled, killed, as well as other popes being elected, supported or even installed by secular powers. He also had quite a few things going for him - being the only one (so far and as known to the public) able to detect dopplegangers, owning huge parts of Ilien following the war and having quite a large chunk of the CoT warchest safely stored away for personal use.

The agenda was not impossible. No more than the Avenese agenda to regain three out of five lost vassals was. In fact I would probably have enjoyed aiming for the CoT agenda more than the Avanese version as it revolved a lot around political maneuvering and my own had me facing five realms terrified that I should try to do, what my agenda wanted me to do, which meant I would likely have to use force in one form or another to make it happen. Heck I was working towards the throne (very very slowly) and I thought that an easier goal than my agenda. If one of Aubrae's sons became Emperor, at least I'd accomplish my agenda by proxy.

That Wallac managed to alienate most people by ordering where he should have been asking and frothing at the mouth when confronted by his borderline tyranny made the agenda harder. But even that didn't make the agenda impossible. Convincing us OOC should not matter at all. It's all about the IC. And IC he did not put forth very convincing arguments.

It's a shame that the agenda got to Kasper. I think, and I have many a time, that Kasper would have been a lot happier in a landed realm where his playing style would fit better in, and diplomacy wasn't alpha and omega but just one of many available tools. But things went as things went and the outcome can't be changed.

And with regards to pontificate, let me have a crack at it next time, and we'll see what I can get away with :D

: Re: End of game questions
: DM B June 06, 2013, 08:31:52 PM

Or include a third category of agenda - the great agenda - which would always be something like "become Pontiff of all Anuire" or "Emperor". Etc.

A third category - that IS something to ponder.

At any rate; full completion of major agenda is not supposed to be doable in the span of 1 chapter. That's how difficult they were slated to be. Partial yes, full no. But obviously there were variances in actual in-play difficulty.

If we look at the PETG for example that Major agenda turned out to be quite easy. For several reasons. Firstly it may not have been as inherently difficult as say the IHH or OIT agenda. Secondly the PETG were at the edge of existence...surrounded by terra incognita and relatively passive NPCs...and what few player guilds there were (HOT, I'm looking at you in particular)  didn't purse their PETG-conflicting agendas.

That said things could have gone much differently; making effectively many or even all of PETGs agendas impossible to achieve.
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: DM B June 06, 2013, 08:35:02 PM
Bjorn - What was the deal with the Wraith-Sorceror under Ilien, who claimed to be me? Or at least to have the same name as me and a sword that was identical to mine?

Oh, and what would have happened to me if I hadn't ditched the Eye when I did?  Conversely, would there have been direct consequences BECAUSE I ditched the Eye?

It was a possible future version of you, come back through time to make sure you got the bloodsilver blade. To set in motion certain event that were to its liking.

If you hadn't ditched the Eye you would have grown more powerful and had access to resources that might actually have let you win in Aerenwe and beyond. But I'm sure that the long-term costs would have been even more horrible than the ones you would have to bear after ditching the eye.
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: DM B June 06, 2013, 08:42:39 PM
Bjorn - What was the deal with the Wraith-Sorceror under Ilien, who claimed to be me? Or at least to have the same name as me and a sword that was identical to mine?

Oh, and what would have happened to me if I hadn't ditched the Eye when I did?  Conversely, would there have been direct consequences BECAUSE I ditched the Eye?

It was a possible future version of you, come back through time to make sure you got the bloodsilver blade. To set in motion certain event that were to its liking.

If you hadn't ditched the Eye you would have grown more powerful and had access to resources that might actually have let you win in Aerenwe and beyond. But I'm sure that the long-term costs would have been even more horrible than the ones you would have to bear after ditching the eye.

Oh, and if you read Kaven's adventure-conversation with the Red Wind you may stop a reference to the 'anomaly' having gone away. That was a direct result of you rebuking the Eye...so perhaps you saved all of Anuire, even if it meant the ruin of your house. Something to ponder.
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: X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor) June 06, 2013, 09:34:30 PM
When Rhuobhe was killed and Tuare took over his forces, they advanced into human part of Caelcorwynn and threatened to slaughter all humans that remained. What caused them to change their mind?
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: DM B June 06, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
When Rhuobhe was killed and Tuare took over his forces, they advanced into human part of Caelcorwynn and threatened to slaughter all humans that remained. What caused them to change their mind?

Tuare consolidating his gains; knowing how humans are after living among them for so long he decided now was an opportune time to scare them away without further bloodshed.
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: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 06, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
He also tried to pull it off within his 2 year stint instead of building up to it - if he'd gone for a "this is how the job should be done" 1st round, made sure that other temples were ho hum/failed, then when IHH's turn came around again they'd be more likely to get a longer period - assuming that he couldn't get elected at some point as a regent-Pontiff following some major foul-up by a successor, or get a "supporting role" made that he could maneuver into and use to maintain a measure authority.

Any attempt to win a major agenda in 8 seasons (well, 10 thanks to WIT) from nothing flat is doomed to failure in my view, they are more decades-long goals rooted in the heart of an organisation in my view.

He wouldn't get the second chance within the scope of the game.

I know that it's been answered, but to me "game length planning" is what causes most PBeMs to be d4-1 (which RoE II thankfully avoided).

I worked from start to finish on generational planning - Robhan's aim wasn't to complete all agenda's in 20 turns, he had no reason to think that the next 5 years would be "special", Robhan was working on a "over the next century how will the Aegis and my family be best served by my actions" approach.  Robhan lost out through changeovers in players but that wasn't something I'd allow him to plan for either.  As a player I knew that it wouldn't get me points, but I think that the lack of a quick-get-rich-and-win mentality made it easier for people to play with Robhan and, in my view, made him a more rounded character.
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: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) June 07, 2013, 11:22:29 PM
We had a constructive discussion with Andy today ref Aegos.

Both of us being certain we are right but having a completely different view we are wandering if you could enlighten us as to who/what Aegos was and what was its/his connection with Mhoried/ HA/ Regien.
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: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 08, 2013, 01:44:09 PM
Strictly Robhan is sure that he's right, I suspect that he's at least 50% wrong  ::)
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: X-Osoerde (Alan) June 08, 2013, 01:57:19 PM
Strictly Robhan is sure that he's right, I suspect that he's at least 50% wrong  ::)

This is RoE...I would expect your 50% to be more like 10%. :)
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: X-Osoerde (Alan) June 08, 2013, 02:38:46 PM
Bjorn what was the connection between the vampires and hoa if any? 
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: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) June 08, 2013, 02:47:04 PM
Bjorn what was the connection between the vampires and hoa if any? 

Was MS fully controlled by HoA? Was the first captain pure?
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: X-Osoerde (Alan) June 08, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
What about the two dragons? One in the erebannian and the other in Hope's demise?
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: DM B June 08, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Bjorn what was the connection between the vampires and hoa if any? 

Depends; not all vampires were working towards the same goal. The Manethander vampires were pursuing his agenda. The others were either HoA agents or working roughly along the same lines. Same goes for a bunch of werecreatures that never really saw much action.
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: DM B June 08, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Bjorn what was the connection between the vampires and hoa if any? 

Was MS fully controlled by HoA? Was the first captain pure?

The MS had a big HoA problem initially, but managed to root out the worst of it. The First Captain was pure.
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: DM B June 08, 2013, 06:49:51 PM
We had a constructive discussion with Andy today ref Aegos.

Both of us being certain we are right but having a completely different view we are wandering if you could enlighten us as to who/what Aegos was and what was its/his connection with Mhoried/ HA/ Regien.

The Aegos is the Spirit of Mhoried. The accumulation of valiant deeds and valiant spirits throughout the ages, all dedicated to freedom even if it meant death. It could be called a minor local god if you will. Or a great spirit. Or the patron saint of the Mhors. Or a great many other things.

In a very real sense it was also the Wizard(s) of Mhoried, selecting them and empowering them beyond the limitations of mortal wizards. The very first time (at least on record) the Aegos manifested was when the first Wizard of Mhoried arose in the 6th Century HC. But there was a spirit, a power, even before that. Perhaps it even predated human settlement of Mhoried.
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: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 08, 2013, 06:52:44 PM
What was behind Gerad's distrust / hate / etc of his brother Rashid Daouta?  Was it just ambition?  I figured he thought that Rashid was tainted by shadow (it would be an obvious supposition given the backstory), decided that he Gerad) was best for the throne and it went from there, but figured that it was also possible that Gerad was a Ghoul/pawn of Manetheander or that both brothers were pure(ish) and the vampires were just stirring it up.

What really happened to Robhan's brother (the one who was a noble of Coeranys) in the Chimaeron?  It all seemed remarkably convenient for the Duke of Coeranys...
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: DM B June 08, 2013, 07:25:09 PM
Gerad was free of anything but ambition - he felt cheated out of his birthright when Rashid was chosen solely (in his eyes) because he was the eldest son; the old Patriarch wanted to honor the traditions of Anuire, but in so doing he set aside Elinie's traditions of choosing the most able child. Rashids actions did also little to appease him; him letting guilders run the realm, the attempted assassination of Gerad (which he blamed Rashid/PETG for). Plus of course Gerad's claim to the throne was a nice excuse for invasion for his master-in-exile, the Duke of Osoerde.
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: DM B June 08, 2013, 07:25:42 PM

What really happened to Robhan's brother (the one who was a noble of Coeranys) in the Chimaeron?  It all seemed remarkably convenient for the Duke of Coeranys...

He was killed - by orogs. No subterfuge involved.
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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) June 08, 2013, 08:07:24 PM
Which player(s) had the honor of being part of the DMs biggest facepalm moment in RoE2? And which event was that?
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: X-Aerenwe/TS (Miloš) June 08, 2013, 08:20:43 PM
Which player(s) had the honor of being part of the DMs biggest facepalm moment in RoE2? And which event was that?

Did you have to ask that? -_-
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: DM B June 08, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
Which player(s) had the honor of being part of the DMs biggest facepalm moment in RoE2? And which event was that?

When Geir decided that Duchess Flaertes would demand that the Boer army under the command of Moergan would have to give up their arms if they were to be allowed to cross Tuornen. This was the very army that was marching north after the foul assassination of their liege (for which they suspected LF to be at least involved, if not responsible). Tuornen's army and fortifications were miniscule, inexperienced and not at all on active duty. Shortly thereafter Haes was in Boer hands, as was LF's son and heir.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 08, 2013, 08:50:41 PM
I don't particularly envy Geir's endgame positioning, with an active (and angry) Boeruine, and an equally active (and seething) Avanil attempting to use his lands as a thoroughfare. But yeah, it doesn't strike me as the best of moves :-P
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: X-Osoerde (Alan) June 09, 2013, 03:25:24 AM
Can we fully unlock the Conclave forum?
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: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 09, 2013, 11:23:04 AM
hmm, now there's a mountain to read.

Note, if seeking deeply enlightened discussions, in depth discussions of matters spiritual and theological as the most enlightened minds of Anuire ponder the souls in their care - you may have to look hard to find it.  ::)
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 09, 2013, 11:36:35 AM
I'd like to see the inner Haelynite conclave thingy too, I admit. And find out how and when it was created, because that clearly wasn't part of the charter :P
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: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 09, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
there wasn't much in it - but it is in the charter - the "inner conclave" is just the discussions between the cardinal temples.  Generally bitching about the Pontiff riding roughshod over them - but doing it where the lesser temples can't see so that the Haelynics don't wash their linen in public too much
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 09, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
there wasn't much in it - but it is in the charter - the "inner conclave" is just the discussions between the cardinal temples.  Generally bitching about the Pontiff riding roughshod over them - but doing it where the lesser temples can't see so that the Haelynics don't wash their linen in public too much

I guess that's a matter of perspective. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't created at the same time the CoT was, and I would have been fervently against it as the RCS if I had found out about it when I played them.

One thing is the cardinal temples discussing things in private and provide council. It's completely another matter if the CoT, which was created for temples to talk on relatively equal footing, suddenly isn't because there is an inner echelon for sessions to continue in, when the rest of us are gone. I think it defeats the purpose of the CoT (as I saw it).
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: X-OIT (Garth) June 09, 2013, 06:30:26 PM
Take a look at my Conclave Voting Record in the CoT. It's a compilation that I put together for every issue that went to a vote. It was intended to help new players get caught up, so they wouldn't need to read everything like I did.

I thought my effort would go to waste, but with this new interest in the Conclave. . .
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: X-Haelyn's Aegis/RK (Andy) June 09, 2013, 07:14:28 PM
there wasn't much in it - but it is in the charter - the "inner conclave" is just the discussions between the cardinal temples.  Generally bitching about the Pontiff riding roughshod over them - but doing it where the lesser temples can't see so that the Haelynics don't wash their linen in public too much

I guess that's a matter of perspective. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't created at the same time the CoT was, and I would have been fervently against it as the RCS if I had found out about it when I played them.

One thing is the cardinal temples discussing things in private and provide council. It's completely another matter if the CoT, which was created for temples to talk on relatively equal footing, suddenly isn't because there is an inner echelon for sessions to continue in, when the rest of us are gone. I think it defeats the purpose of the CoT (as I saw it).

Well, it can't vote or anything - it's purely a bickering sessions.  But I take your point.  I suspect however that the Haelynics wouldn't have it any other way ;-)
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: X-Endier & KoH/GdN (JP) June 09, 2013, 09:41:49 PM
I know I am a bit late to the party but what ever happened to KoH.  I am not sure if you already discussed but I did not seem to see anything.  Thanks!
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: DM B June 09, 2013, 09:59:09 PM
I know I am a bit late to the party but what ever happened to KoH.  I am not sure if you already discussed but I did not seem to see anything.  Thanks!

I haven't written that part yet - but it involves lots of glorious action in the Khinasi plains!
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: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) June 10, 2013, 01:33:02 AM
did I go over the top when I submitted 23 free actions for Ilien in a single turn or were other players sometimes near that number...
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: X-ETN/Maire Cwyllmie (Libor) June 11, 2013, 09:04:15 PM
1) What happened to those undead MC brought from Shadow World? Did they (un)live happily ever after?

2) Who was behind the rumour telling the truth about MC and the undead that spreaded in Mieres and why did it harm EOM rather than ETN?
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) June 11, 2013, 10:06:11 PM
In relation to above questions, after Wallac lost his access to divine magic, what did he have to do to get on Haelyn's good graces again? Kinda curious what equals out the unleashing of hordes and hordes of undead upon Anuire.
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: X-Coeranys/WD (Greg) June 12, 2013, 07:01:31 AM
Better late than never!  Thanks for doing this Bjorn.

Q1: what's charrek ironfists story?  Very mysterious character, but key to Baron Deaulen's Survival and successes.

Q2: where did Ervan Vaul Rockhammer really come from?  Did he have giant's blood?

Q3: how about lord sery vineshiver?  (i never liked that guy!)
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: DM B June 12, 2013, 08:15:36 AM
did I go over the top when I submitted 23 free actions for Ilien in a single turn or were other players sometimes near that number...

I think you'll get a medal for that one! The Conclave Medal of Honor!
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: DM B June 12, 2013, 08:17:25 AM
1) What happened to those undead MC brought from Shadow World? Did they (un)live happily ever after?

2) Who was behind the rumour telling the truth about MC and the undead that spreaded in Mieres and why did it harm EOM rather than ETN?

1. I'm sure they caused all sort of trouble along the Mieran coastline. No doubt they were defeated in time - by valiant adventurers of levels 3-8.

2. That would be the EOM. Exactly what the plan was only the EOM player knows - it was too devious for me to fully grasp :)
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: DM B June 12, 2013, 08:18:47 AM
In relation to above questions, after Wallac lost his access to divine magic, what did he have to do to get on Haelyn's good graces again? Kinda curious what equals out the unleashing of hordes and hordes of undead upon Anuire.

I don't recall the details; but he got off quite light.
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: DM B June 12, 2013, 08:25:08 AM
Better late than never!  Thanks for doing this Bjorn.

Q1: what's charrek ironfists story?  Very mysterious character, but key to Baron Deaulen's Survival and successes.

Q2: where did Ervan Vaul Rockhammer really come from?  Did he have giant's blood?

Q3: how about lord sery vineshiver?  (i never liked that guy!)

Q1: He's a Devious Duergar...ok, there are no duergar in BR, but he's a bad sort of normal dwarf. Nice on the outside, but dark and hateful on the inside. He was banished from Baruk-Azhik long ago and has wandered Cerilia since. His main motivation is revenge on the dwarves of Baruk-Azhik (i.e. his own kin). To that effect he was working to further the cause of the orogs - so a complete traitor! He is also a cunning warrior and a very powerful druid. So I guess he was manipulating you all along.

Q2: He was a bastard's bastard, hence his bloodline. As for his true origins he doesn't really know. He doesn't really have giant's blood - but he's possibly the biggest and strongest many in Anuire.

Q3: He's an ershegh in disguise. Trying to protect the people of the Chimaeron as best he can (not doing a super job ATM).
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: X-Points East June 23, 2013, 11:48:44 PM

OoC:

What happened to the treasury of the Iron Rider?

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: DM B June 24, 2013, 02:30:59 PM

OoC:

What happened to the treasury of the Iron Rider?



Ask Tristan.
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: X-Bellam & BC/TB (Bobby) June 24, 2013, 06:34:59 PM
I don't believe I ever got his treasury - just his Source holdings.  If I DID and I just don't remember, it got spent shouting "DIE DIE DIE" over the Aerenwe border.

Poor Vimorean.  He was a really good guy.  He deserved better than his post-RoE1 life.  But that reminds me - Bjorn, what exactly drove him mad?  I know he killed 'Royce' because he'd learned about the doppelgangers, at least in part, but from all the evidence he'd gone absolutely crazy even before that.  What happened to him?