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Hiring Establish NPCs
« on: December 19, 2008, 04:16:21 AM »
Is the DDC for the hire help action any different if you use it to hire established npcs?

For example there a few npcs described in the domain description for Tornilen. They are described as already being in the Sword Mage's employ, for example a 7th level ranger is the military commander of the province Toralinar.
The DDC to hire him is 22, + stability and court modifiers. That sounds high, but he is also a high level npc.

I understand that there is a difference between having someone work in the lower echelons of your hierachy and having them directly under your command and attatched to one's person.

Would an established relationship to a npc provide a bonus to the Hire Help action and how substantial would that bonus be? I realize that there is also a game balance aspect in this - high level npcs are strong assets on adventures and as commanders or spellcasters, elite characters make good lieutenants (some actions without GB cost), and so on.
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Re: Hiring Establish NPCs
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 05:27:52 AM »

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Assuming that he is an elite (not an heroic) character; assuming that an hireling (not an advisor) is desired; assuming no stability modifier and a 5 GB court; assuming that I have not made any mistakes . . .

DDC:  10 (base) + 7 (ECL) + 5 (elite) + 5 (spells) = 27.

Perhaps Bjørn can comment on the possibility of a reduction of the DDC (based upon an established relationship).

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Re: Hiring Establish NPCs
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2008, 01:10:59 PM »
How 'bout the college of sorcery? How large is it in RoE II, i.e. how many students does it have and would there be a possibility of hiring them as court mages? I would assume that some of them would hope for such an opportunity and welcome it.
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Re: Hiring Establish NPCs
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2008, 03:09:36 PM »
How 'bout the college of sorcery? How large is it in RoE II, i.e. how many students does it have and would there be a possibility of hiring them as court mages? I would assume that some of them would hope for such an opportunity and welcome it.

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Re: Hiring Establish NPCs
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2008, 08:23:43 PM »
How 'bout the college of sorcery? How large is it in RoE II, i.e. how many students does it have and would there be a possibility of hiring them as court mages? I would assume that some of them would hope for such an opportunity and welcome it.

Feel free to hire - using the Hire help action.
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Re: Hiring Establish NPCs
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2008, 02:48:07 PM »
Is the DDC for the hire help action any different if you use it to hire established npcs?

For example there a few npcs described in the domain description for Tornilen. They are described as already being in the Sword Mage's employ, for example a 7th level ranger is the military commander of the province Toralinar.
The DDC to hire him is 22, + stability and court modifiers. That sounds high, but he is also a high level npc.

I understand that there is a difference between having someone work in the lower echelons of your hierachy and having them directly under your command and attatched to one's person.

Would an established relationship to a npc provide a bonus to the Hire Help action and how substantial would that bonus be? I realize that there is also a game balance aspect in this - high level npcs are strong assets on adventures and as commanders or spellcasters, elite characters make good lieutenants (some actions without GB cost), and so on.

Besides above question I wonder if it makes any sense game mechanic wise to hire an advisor, then try to turn him into a henchman later on.
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Re: Hiring Establish NPCs
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2008, 11:13:40 AM »
Is the DDC for the hire help action any different if you use it to hire established npcs?

For example there a few npcs described in the domain description for Tornilen. They are described as already being in the Sword Mage's employ, for example a 7th level ranger is the military commander of the province Toralinar.
The DDC to hire him is 22, + stability and court modifiers. That sounds high, but he is also a high level npc.

I understand that there is a difference between having someone work in the lower echelons of your hierachy and having them directly under your command and attatched to one's person.

Would an established relationship to a npc provide a bonus to the Hire Help action and how substantial would that bonus be? I realize that there is also a game balance aspect in this - high level npcs are strong assets on adventures and as commanders or spellcasters, elite characters make good lieutenants (some actions without GB cost), and so on.

Besides above question I wonder if it makes any sense game mechanic wise to hire an advisor, then try to turn him into a henchman later on.

 To Alexander's question: There's always the possibility that the DM adds modifiers to a roll, but they're always conditional and rarely revealed. So no definitive rule on that.
 Also "established NPC's" of high level or great importance are usually hired on a case by case basis. The Green Knight f.ex. won't provide his services to just anyone, others he may help for free. No definitive rule there either.


 To Kasper: Since the only way to get a henchman is to hire an advisor and promote him/her, I would say it makes great sense (obviously special cases can occur). And if you want a new lieutenant, they cost a lot less if you create them from henchman status.