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RoE General => The Sage (Questions & Answers) => : X-Elinie/RiD (Niels) March 05, 2009, 10:30:44 PM
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Question is in the title.
In the example in the regent guide, an administrator uses one action to administrate, another to adventure and the third on some other thing.
But I can't see, if this means a character can't do the same kind of action more than once. Fx administration twice, or adventuring twice.
From a balance perspective I can see why it'd be restricted, but I thought I'd ask.
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Yes, it is possible to take the same action twice. But not to attempt admin on the same topic twice.
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Do you mean taking two different kind of administrative actions or two of same kind (like chamberlein trying to reduce cost of actions by 10 percent twice in same season)?
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So an advisor could get promoted to 3 different administrator posts and each season attempt them all 3 albeit with -2 on check because he is only advisor?
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So an advisor could get promoted to 3 different administrator posts and each season attempt them all 3 albeit with -2 on check because he is only advisor?
I believe so yes. But if you promoted him to a true Hireling, then you could use the 2 adminsitrative actions and have a +2 Competence modifier to one of your other actions.
If you have a Master administrator though, it might be tempting to book him fully.
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I go for two positions plus a supportive action. A high-skill Administration character can help with almost any kind of action, if you're creative with your descriptions.
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He is only level 5 aristocrat unbloded administrator so I would not really call him master. However I could perhaps make him AIDE as to give him a training mission each round? I am not sure.
Doing administration as an action have no chance of improving skill no?
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Master is not always depending on level. If the character is described as "highly intelligent" and can refer to a fine list of education or past experience, then a valid case for being a Master can be made.
In theory, you can have a Master thats level 1. A medium level Expert will be better, but with time, the Master will have the potential to become best. - There is a matrix table in the regent guide showing these bonuses.
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I guess muchinwise you are the best Niels ;-)
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I guess muchinwise you are the best Niels ;-)
I prefer the term "advantage aware". ::)
Optimization and good roleplaying are not mutually exclusive, as long as the first does not overshadow the game.
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Master is not always depending on level. If the character is described as "highly intelligent" and can refer to a fine list of education or past experience, then a valid case for being a Master can be made.
In theory, you can have a Master thats level 1. A medium level Expert will be better, but with time, the Master will have the potential to become best. - There is a matrix table in the regent guide showing these bonuses.
Indeed; Mastery is not linked to level.
Being a Master implies that you have focused on your chosen field to the exclusion of (almost) everything else AND is highly talented to being with (usually an Elite character with good stat placement and maximum focus of skill points and feats).
Most purposes-hired administrators will be Experts (unless you botch your DAC you won't be getting any less skilled ones; but you might START with some).
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Can an administrator administrate 2 times and then train for the third action?
Can training option 3 be used every season? Only every second season? or?
Training action
3) Add 1 skill point to a Craft, Knowledge, Perform or Profession skills. Said skills do not count against your limit of skill ranks for class/level, only maximum ranks are applicable. Note that while all classes potentially have all Craft, Knowledge, Perform and Profession skills as class skills, it will be up to the DM to determine if a particular skill is a class skill or not. DDC 15.
Bottom of action describtion: Note: You’re not allowed to run rampant with this action; apart from alternative 1) the DM will restrict any training to cover only special circumstances
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sounds to me like you need special reason to use other options than 1) when training. So a fixed formula of once every so or so season is probably not likely to be applied.
But it would be nice to know in witch special circumstances`you could expect to be allowed to use other training options than the first?
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Yes. I read it as not supposed to happen with a standard describtion; something has to take place that is out of the normal and involves the character in question as well as the relevant skill?
Or simply restrict it to not be allowed two times in a row? Once a year? once every 3rd season etc.?
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Yes. I read it as not supposed to happen with a standard describtion; something has to take place that is out of the normal and involves the character in question as well as the relevant skill?
Or simply restrict it to not be allowed two times in a row? Once a year? once every 3rd season etc.?
You can have an AA train for XP using his action - each turn that is. That's the only training option allowed in RoE II.
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So an advisor could get promoted to 3 different administrator posts and each season attempt them all 3 albeit with -2 on check because he is only advisor?
I tried to promote XXX, a hireling, to his third administrative position.
Grant Title, Court action: XXX is granted the additional title “Castellan”.
Result:
title Failure – XXX is already overtasked as it is with two positions to his name
I wonder if this is simply because it is more difficult and can actually be done (but I just did not have the needed luck) or if it is impossible to have 3 seperate administrative titles. Inputs and answers from everyone welcome but I will most definately also like to get an answer from Bjørn (though I expect it not to be ASAP ;-) )
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It is possible. Not sure its wise, but its possible.
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Not wise? Can you please elaborate?
Because it possibly influence other Ply Trade administration actions done with same AA when you do too many? Like same character attempt 3 actions and is more likely to fail in each and everyone (or just one) than if he do only one or two? Or because loosing said administrator means 3 vacant spots?
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Piling a third task on an individual is always going to be a difficult call. Too many eggs in one basket.
I would imagine granting a second admin task, let alone the third, would suffer significant penalties. You are asking someone to run a whole section of your government, then run another, and another. That is never going to be easy. In RL I have previously handled the work load of what was five people at one point - what it meant was none of it gets done properly and I am well aware that there were tasks that needed doing that had not been done months after they should have been resolved and when this refers to in game running a country I would hate to see the effect on your economy, let alone your poor monks starving in their monastries.
Then is then also the fact that some people might object to your "favourite" being given yet another high profile position when he already has two..... Admittedly some of those might be people you want to recruit....
I would agree with Bjorn; what you are trying IS possible but it really is not very wise. And a poor example of rulership. ;)
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Poor little NPC hireling...spending all his waking hours (all 20 of them)...eight days a week...laboring for the regent. When is a man to have some time to himself?
;D
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If he wanted personal time or control of his own life, he shouldn't have been an NPC. People always blame others for their own poor life choices!
Another argument against loading one guy with three positions is that he can only do three actions in a season anyways, regardless of his titles. I prefer to give them a max of two positions, which still allows them to support one of my own actions each season. Those AA bonuses add up, and with a little ingenuity, the Ply Trade (Administration skill) action can support an astonishing array of actions.
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Silly me. I assumed the AA was not personally doing all the work himself and that since he had 3 orders a season he could do it. Guess I forgot to apply rl considerations to the game!
:P :P :P
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If he wanted personal time or control of his own life, he shouldn't have been an NPC. People always blame others for their own poor life choices!
Another argument against loading one guy with three positions is that he can only do three actions in a season anyways, regardless of his titles. I prefer to give them a max of two positions, which still allows them to support one of my own actions each season. Those AA bonuses add up, and with a little ingenuity, the Ply Trade (Administration skill) action can support an astonishing array of actions.
Clever fellow the Baron. Don't trust him...
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Clever fellow the Baron. Don't trust him...
Those excact words are framed and hung above my bed so it's the first thing and last thing I see every day.
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Clever fellow the Baron. Don't trust him...
Those exact words are framed and hung above my bed so it's the first thing and last thing I see every day.
...But I don't even INTERACT with Medoere! Why am I being distrusted by people I've barely met?!
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Perhaps it is just Barons in general that he distrusts
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...But I don't even INTERACT with Medoere! Why am I being distrusted by people I've barely met?!
Perhaps the reason we've barely interacted, is because of the words on my wall, eh? :D
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Perhaps it is just Barons in general that he distrusts
No no, you're getting it all wrong. It's two sentences:
"Clever fellow that Baron." (always nice to start the day with some encouragement)
and
"Don't trust him..." (him obviously being Bobby)
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Please consider to move some of above stuff to an OOC thread. I deliberately posted my question in an old similar thread as to avoid cluttering up Q&A section.
Pretty please?
:)