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: #71 Bindier - Defense against the Shadow
: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) February 25, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
As agreed in the Imperial City, the Brosen court sends out invitations to all landed nobles, temples and all other people of importance. That they may send a representative to Bindier to listen and speak with Princess Aubrae Avan, whom have promised to  present a thorough concept for our common defense against the Shadow.

It is the hope of Duke Mierelen of Brosengae, that these talks will result in a common front against all threats from the Shadow.
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) February 26, 2012, 02:02:01 PM
Laela Flaertes, by Grace of Haelyn Duchess of Tuornen, heeds Your call. The Duchess will share the gains of Her long and successful war against the spawn of the Shadow.
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele will attend with the esteemed Shadewise Pervince Millbridge Silversleep.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) February 26, 2012, 02:36:29 PM
The Princess of Avanil intends, of course, to be present alongside a larger retinue in order to speak at this summit, and lets it be known that she urges everyone to attend in person or send someone who can speak on their behalf.

Born out of Alamian ideas and backed by Avanese ingenuity, surely an initiative against the shadow is a step in the right direction for Anuire.
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) February 26, 2012, 07:07:20 PM
His Grace, Duke Ghorien Hriele, will of course attend, accompanying the Princess of Avanil and those of her retinue to the summit, with a retinue of his own. Ghieste fully supports this initiative and hence the presence of the Duke himself to ensure that decisions are made and actions are taken when so often waffle and bluster are what might result in too many cases.
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: X-Sea Witch/Aneira (John) February 26, 2012, 11:45:30 PM
The Sea Witch attends, appearing one morn when her slender white tower materialises unannounced upon the coastline.  Wrapped up tightly in a warm grey cloak, she doesn't pause to speak with anyone as she rides into the city on the back of a large, bare-chested centaur.
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: X-Mieres & SAS/AV (Mark) February 27, 2012, 02:51:14 PM
The Governor sends word that he will not be in attendance and nor will he be sending a representative in his place.
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: X-Aerenwe/TS (Miloš) February 28, 2012, 11:53:48 AM
Word arrives from the east that a high-ranking member of the Wardens of the Erebannien, an organization that has been important part of the demise of powerful abominations such as the Werewolf, the Lich and Rhoubhe the Manslayer, will be attending as representative of the Kingdom of Aerenwe.
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: X-Boeruine/Ulric (Robert) February 28, 2012, 10:09:06 PM
A letter arrives from Seasedge,

"We, Ulric Boer, by the Grace of Haelyn Archduke of Boeruine, Prince of Anuire, Duke of Taeghas, Margrave of Talinie, Thane of the Western Isles, Count of Seasedge, Naeane etc., herewith" confirm our arrival and participation in a joint discussion regarding the threat from Shadow. We, however, vehemently deny any claims to precedence in this meeting of her Grace, Aubrae, Duchess of Avanil.

Signed,
Ulric Boer, Arch."
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) February 28, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
A letter is penned and sent in reply to this late development, once rumor about it spreads.

"Let it be said, that it is not the intent of Avanil to bring the northern conflict to this meeting, nor reopen hostilities while guests at another court. We have only the noblest of intentions.

As such, instead of forcing the young Duke of Brosengae to favor one guest over another, which will likely only result in insult and sorrow, it is the wish of Princess Aubrae of Avanil, that precedence indeed be given to the Archduke, as he so insists. The Princess shall gladly take a backseat during these talks if need be. For her, the question of Anuire's defense against the Shadow takes the ultimate precedence in the end.

By my hand
Princess Aubrae"
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: X-Osoerde (Alan) February 28, 2012, 11:08:25 PM
Osoerde sends gracious words of regret that none from House Osoer shall be in attendence. Instead, the Archduke shall see Her Excellency, Countess Vanadaere, represent Osoerdean interests.
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: X-Roesone/SG (Shido) February 29, 2012, 08:03:07 AM
A dispatch reaches the Brosen court stating that Count Traese Noelon will represent Roesone in the ongoing talks.
 
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) February 29, 2012, 08:35:54 AM
"We, Carilon Alam, by the Grace of Haelyn Duke of Alamie, will attend at the meeting."

this simple message is sent to every court involved.
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: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) March 01, 2012, 09:08:39 PM
A dispatch from Mhoried reaches the Brosen court stating that regretfully his Grace Constantine Mhor is occupied in the Morcosoer campaign; however, the Mhoried will be represented by the Hon. Michael Maricoere.
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: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) March 04, 2012, 02:42:12 AM
All of the grapes in the fields surrounding Bindier have been harvested. And the apples on the trees have started to ripen. Soon they will be the sweetest apples in all of Anuire. But now they are delightfully sweet with a hint of sourness.

Along the roads through Hontier and Cloene there is a chance to come across young men in Brosen uniforms practicing along side elder more experienced soldiers. All of them happy to see travelers, welcoming them and asking for news about the crusade.

It is the second day in the second week of the second month of fall. And the day of the meeting in Bindier is only three days away.

Count Cloene is in Bindier to greet his guests, show them around Caer Binder or the surrounding lands if there is a wish for that.


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: X-Coeranys/WD (Greg) March 04, 2012, 07:29:32 PM
The Baron and Baroness of Coeranys will regrettably not be able to attend in person.  Baron William Deaulen is consumed with the crusade effort in the east, leaving the Baroness Alleandre Cariele to rule Coeranys while he is away.

Symon Larkwood (a noble in the court of Coeranys) does arrive as a part of the Osoerdian envoy with Countess Vanadaere to represent Coeranian interests. 

It is understood that due to limited space of the Brosen court, Symon may not be seated within the inner circle of the court session proper, but he is available and interested in stepping in, should any last minute vacancies materialize.
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: DM B March 09, 2012, 05:00:40 PM
Archduke Ulric of Boeruine has arrived in Bindier. He is said to have brought Lord Moergan, the Earl (Marquis) of Thasbyrn(e). The very man that burned Daulton. Sends a very powerful signal, doesn't it?
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: DM B March 09, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
I'm assuming that since you agreed to meet last season that this court session takes place in the first month or so of autumn. Since autumn starts at the vernal equinox that would be September/Octoberish.

Let's just assume that those going actually have made it to Bindier. Start diplomacy or not as you wish.
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: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) March 10, 2012, 12:16:16 AM
The great hall of Caer Bindier is a large room with benches along the walls and a large sturdy table in the middle.
The hall is amply decorated with various tapestries and ceremonial items.
Servants stand ready to bring the guests whatever they should desire.
Much of the Brosen minor nobility have decided to visit the summit and they occupy almost all of the benches at one of the walls.

A scribe sits ready to transcribe what is said.

After a courteous welcome greeting Count Cloene continues:

"We are here today because some of us have given a pledge to create a defensive pact against the shadow.
Those who have not given that pledge are here to be given a fair chance to join this pact and help shape the terms of it.
I am sure that you have all had thoughts of this matter since we last met, so I will now open the floor for the continued debate on the subject."

He sits back down and allows the representatives to talk.
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 10, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
"As for Alamie I think every member of this League should agree on the following points:

1) The council will meet every time a menace from the Shadow will rise
2) Every member of the council will send some troops (at least 10 units of mustered men) to a field army created by the council
3) The council will decide who will be the leaders of the field army
4) Every council members then will swear not to attack another council member. If anyone will dare to attack, all others member will join to crush him"

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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 10, 2012, 07:28:44 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to speak,
But first she bows deeply towards the higher stands,

“Archduke,
Your Graces,

All honor to the Archduke for a clear and short statement.
Are we to understand that this council will be only for the larger domains that can afford such costly commitments?

Your Graces.”
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) March 10, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
The Duke of Ghieste shifts slightly in his chair and sips his be-jewelled goblet as Carilon speaks. Once the Duke of Alamie and Emissary Anviraele have finished he stands and when he does speak it is in a clear voice.

"Thank you, your Grace, for your very straight forward proposal. Direct certainly and to be appreciated for that precisely that reason. Thank you in turn to the Emissary from Tuornen for expressing concerns that some might have. We will try to discuss those perhaps now. First let is say that the principle behind it is clearly sound, even though some of the detail may require finessing, some greater level of nuance, to allow those who will contribute to not be overly bound by clever political machination of the rules of the League, or the Council, or whatever it is to be called in its final form. There is a need for us all to trust the bonds we create here and so it seems necessary to build such safeguards as might allow each of us to sleep soundly at night."

He pauses, sipping again at his goblet but clearly not surrendering the floor.

"As the Emissary has said there may also be a requirement to size the muster of troops required of each member to the size of their domain, or for each to propose on joining as to the level they can commit to such actions and their membership to be accepted on that basis. It will allow those larger, grander authorities to show their willingness to aid the effort and those smaller, perhaps not as strong, domains to still be involved?"

With that question left in the air he takes his seat again and signals for a page to come forward, presenting a message for him to carry away.
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 10, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to speak,

Again she first bows deeply towards the higher stands,

“Your Graces,

If One may,
there are no mention of the nature of the shadow and how it relates, do we see the shadow as any worldly enemy that wields but axe and sword?
My Duchess would not forget that it is a struggle beyond this world we gather to stand against. A struggle where my Duchess would hope for the commitment of the council to absolute loyalty and support for His Holy Office The Pontiff, and the councils pledge to be a along the Council of Temples in their efforts against the Shadow.
Als such wording can surely be better formulated by the many of high standing in this room, and the Pontiff should possibly be requested to dictate some parts to follow Canon laws.

Your Graces.”
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 10, 2012, 09:13:53 PM
The princess of Avanil sits silently and watches the others talk. Her hands lie folded and resting in her lap and a shadow of a smile graces her thin lips as she listens to the words and proposals from the other dignitaries. She nods quietly at some things and gives a slight shake of her head at others, but makes no further remark. Instead her attention seems to remain on two seats - that of the new Archduke, and the summits host.

Before her rests a series of parchments she has brought to the meeting, placed by her manservant the moment she took a seat, and neatly folded down the middle to prevent others from looking at them.
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 10, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
The duke looks and the Tuornen's envoy

"is it too difficult to see the presence of the Shadow? i don't think it takes a saint and holy priest of Haelyn to see the hand of the Shadow behind the walking dead in the Five Peaks and in my realm, or even in those provinces controlled by the Flaertes.

 Maybe you want to subordinate your liege's birthright to a priest but I don't. I rule by the Grace of Haelyn and I honor and respect the priests, as they take care of my soul and bring a lot of good to my lands and to my people. But to rule and to take care of our realms is our duty.

I'll do everything in my power, with the help of the Conclave of Temples of course if they want, to smite the pure evil in Alamie, and by extent in Anuire"
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 10, 2012, 09:56:09 PM
Aubrae gives an acknowledging nods to Carilon's words.

"Agreed, Your Grace, and well put. This was never about handing our forces over to the CoT, but about doing what we can to fend off the shadows ourselves."
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 10, 2012, 10:14:54 PM
The Duke then turns to Duke Hiriele

"Your grace, you made an interesting questions. How many troops has every member to send should a field army be requested? I think beginning to talk about realms' size or realms' strength would lead us to nowhere. Everyone of us will try to take advantage from this, claiming to be less powerful and thus sending less troops to spare more after the war where potential enemies could have been weakened.

Or maybe the larger ones will tend to actually rule the council and the army as his own stuff. and mayne trying to take the best share of every war profits should ever happen at the end of a battle.

 No, if the spirit of the council is to have a group of Peer Realms united and allied against Anuire's enemies, then every realm will partecipate with the same amount of troops. This will be clearer and will reduce some scheming, alas too much common in our lands.

 I'll let to our less dignitaries to reach an agreement about how many units: 10 or 8 or 12. And what will be the share of heavy or light troops or infantry or cavalry."
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 10, 2012, 10:28:29 PM
This time Aubrae shakes her head briefly. "I do not think creating a field army, nor dispatching a set amount of troops to this cause is the way to go Your Grace. This is not the CoT, and I believe we would be shooting ourselves in the foot to attempt to mimic their organisation. Nor do I think this should amount into a council or a regular meeting of members. In my minds eye, what we have to accomplish during this summit needs to be something far lighter and easier manageable. Something that will work to everyone's advantage, while putting no one realm in a position where they have to be subservient to others, and without donating fees and troops for one man or realm to exploit."

She looks around the table for the first time now, letting her eyes rest on each dignitary in turn.
"I would propose, not that we work to create an organisation or conclave, but that we formulate a treaty or pact, uniting everyone to a common goal."
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 10, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to speak,

she bows deeply towards Princess Aubrae,

“Princess”,

The bow last for a while, then quickly towards the rest,

“Your Graces,

It was never our intent to suggest other then what the Princess just now worded so much more wisely and elegantly,

I will reply the Archduke with care, to not further open up for misunderstandings,

In my Duchess Tuornen the taint of the Shadow is still evident; even if effort of my Duchess and Her Templar’s of the Militant Order clear the lands of undead continuously still new wander in across the border.
There will be need of armies, but there are armies, many armies, but what of goals? Should there be a clear goal or target for these efforts? Can there be names such goal and targets in this meeting?

And, the Shadow is a danger that cannot be defeated alone by armies of ordinary men, the source, powers and entities behind what we see by plain sight must be confronted with powers only the Gods can grant.
And so it too is learned that only with the true loyalty to His Holy Office The Pontiff can the birthright of my Duchess, and the duty that follows, be fulfilled. May the Pontiff bless my Duchess Laela Flaertes, by Grace of Haelyn Duchess of Tuornen, give Her strength to suffer the pre…”

Her last words are lost in whispers as she sits down again.
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 11, 2012, 11:24:40 AM
Duke Carilon Alam stands up again lookin at Princess Aubrae

"Princess,

I'm glad to hear your proposal as well as the terms and the goal of the pact and I'llbe also glad to hear the thoughts of other members of this meeting, until now still silent".

He then sits looking briefly at the Boer's delegation.

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: X-Mhoried/Constantine Mhor (Wiktor) March 11, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Michael Maricoere, Mhoried's representative, is a young lad of 17 years old. Although he wears good quality court clothes, he is no match for the present Anuirean lords.

He is quietly listening to the conversation keeping some notes on a parchment and eagerly awaits his turn to speak unwilling to interrupt the lords present. Noticing a small pause in the conversation he decides it is a good time to go ahead.


Lords,

The people of Mhoried have been safeguarding the borders of the empire against the shadow for a long time and we will uphold our duty for as long the last one of us still breathe. The tidings are worrying; the Hand of Azrai has increased their activity in the last few seasons in many areas and 'independent' manifestations of the shadow appear throughout Anuire.

The most recent example in Ilien is followed by the rumors of heresy in Mhoried's south border among others. It is clear that our war against the shadow is unconventional with no clear borders and no clearly defined enemies. Although the enemy is internal and subtle, we should not rely soley on the servant of the All Father to identify them. Often we are blind to obvious signs of corruption. 

Mhoried will support any effort against the shadow and we believe it would be useful to 'create' an early response military force that would rush to the area of any incident until the other realms can muster and organise forces. There are several knightly orders in Anuire, perhaps one of them not tied with politics or domains could receive the role. 

We could provide free passage to such a force, but a lot of details need to be clarified. One would expect this force to be commanded by the conclave, but would we invest the conclave with the authority to overule sovereigns in appearances of shadow? Or are we going to define a fixed term leadership among the sovereigns who will join this council?

Another topic we should discuss is the contribution of troops per realm. This cannot be a solid agreement but needs to take into account up-to-date commitments and politics. If war is breweing in the neighborhoud of a realm it would be unfeasible to demand said realm to contribute forces for an objective far away. A lot of realms are constantly guarding borders against the shadow, are we going to lower our guard? What if we fall for a diversion?

Unfortunately, the proposal of mandatory peace among the members of the council is utopic. We are all aware of great treacheries in Anuirean politics and no sovereign would rely on such words. Not as long as we leave in a world of darkness...

Michael finishes his last sentence and returns to his seat waiting for any reply.  

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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 12, 2012, 10:14:15 AM
Aubrae leans forward with interest at the young man's words. She purses her lips as she considers his words, a frown forming on her forehead.
When he is done, she assumes her previous position and chews thoughtfully on her lower lip.
"We already have such an early response unit - Lord Michael is it? They are called the Knights of Haelyn and are stationed in Endier. Though I have no idea about what politics surround them..." she glances to Pontiff Kharnmoien at this "... and they are, in some ways, tied in with Diemed, they are still supposed to be the unbiased element you refer to."

She taps the fingers of one hand against the backside of the other as she continues.
"It is still the Conclave of Temples that lead the fight against the Shadow, as should be. That is why they have gathered as one - to face the foe and drive them out. They - and the heads of their orders, are still the first and best defense we have against the corruption of the shadow. An influence that we have seen take root in even the most secure places.

But they are but few and spread out, and the threats are many. And, sometimes, the nobility and the common man may need to raise arm alongside the temples or hold the ground until the temples can arrive. It is in such instances that this pact would be needed. For the nobility to aid our neighbours as best we can in the hopes of saving lives, holding our ground and standing strong against the forces of evil that would seek our end. As I stated back in the Imperial City when this topic was first broached - where the temples direct the fight against evil on a spiritual level, we nobles must look to lead men of flesh and bone. *We* must be prepared to act, if and when it is needed. To be united, if need be, in arms, hearts and minds against a common goal."

She pauses to let her words sink in.
"There have already been suggestions of independent forces, councils and forced commitment. I believe none of these will be required, and that it would only work to diminish what we hope to achieve. Of all things said today, it is the young lord of Mhoried here who has most correctly identified the sore points that would need to be dealt with for this to work. This cannot be a solid thing, with clearly defined borders. It needs to take into account the ever changing politics that we, as a nobility, deal with. The temples may strive to see themselves about such things - we can never hope to be."

She gives a nod of acknowledgement to Michael Maricoere, before continuing.
"We shall have no one standing force of men ready to move out at first sign of trouble. However well that sounds, it is still to rigid for a world saturated in politics - and that position is already better filled by the Knights of Haelyn and the Conclave of Temples, who can hope to affect an air of neutrality and cross-border camaraderie that landed nobility just cannot achieve.

What we can have, however, is promises and military agreements, overseen by a centralized administration. And that, honored lords, is something I see ten times as effective as an attempt at forming new armies and defining new leadership."
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 12, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
The Princess of Avanil reaches out and picks up the topmost piece of parchment. Unfolding it carefully she lets her eyes wander quickly down the page, before looking back at the gathering again.
"When we last met I offered to formulate a rough outline to be expanded upon. I have done that, using the Conclave of Temples charter as a basic framework and reworking quite a few things, and the result, I think, is the singular best way to prepare all of present day Anuire without destabilizing or changing who and what we are. It consists of a few outlined points that I consider crucial to the initiative."

"I have attempted to keep it simple. Mainly to avoid bogging these talks down with the unnecessary, but also because sometimes simple works better than the complex alternative. And this, I believe, is one such case."

Her eyes fall to the parchment in her hands again.
"Firstly, this will, in most ways, be no different than a military alliance between two or more realms. We are not talking about the creation of councils or armies, nor the founding of organizations or large cashes of gold to be ministered by need in times of strife. This will be the simple act of signing a document and keeping each other to our word.

Each signatory would, by agreement, offer aid in the case of an incident or invasion by the shadow - referred to hereafter as a Shadow Incursion. This help can be everything from military, arcane or other mundane means, but should be what they can, when they can, to overcome the current Incursion - based on the single premise that the next Incursion might hit them."

"Secondly, a centralized administration would be needed. This administration's main task is to keep a view of the bigger picture, keep everyone appraised of the situation and lift the burden of the beleaguered realms - leaving them to focus on their local troubles rather than forcing them to spend time and energy besieging far off allies for help. This centralized administration would also be the one to work in concert with the Conclave of Temples to ensure that what is needed reaches its destination as quickly as possible and that everyone has the information needed to best combat the eternal foe."

"And that, basically, is all there is to it. A military alliance overseen by a centralized administration. Anything above that, and we only risk bogging ourselves down in bureaucracy - which would do more harm than good."

The princess glances around the table to gauge immediate responses to her words, before she continues.
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) March 12, 2012, 02:26:09 PM
The Duke of Ghieste stands to speak.

"Would your highness currently define any current events, invasions or happenings as "Shadow Incursions", merely as an example; to allow us to gain an understanding of the conceit behind the term?"
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 12, 2012, 02:52:08 PM
Aubrae half turns to adressese Ghorien.
"I believe the young lord from Mhoried gave two examples that might suffice to that effect. And I know that the His Grace..." she indicates Carilon Alam "... constantly has to concern himself with the legacy of the Eyeless One in Alamie, as does the Duchess of Tuornen as well, in her lands. None of them, perhaps, are full scale invasions - but they might be Incursions none the less. There is also the Red Wind to consider. Last he moved in force Mieres was almost brought low under the hordes of Gnolls he commanded."

She calls a servant forward to get a quill and some ink, scratching a few notes down on her paper.
"But a valid question, Your Grace. And something we should work to define, perhaps, more closely at some point. "
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) March 12, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
"Thank you your highness; those examples would also match my likely definition of the term also."

And takes his seat again.
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 12, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to speak again,

She nods to the Princess with a sweet smile, eyes cast down,

“Princess,
As noted wisely, these are very delicate matters, many will fear to be granted such overwhelming assistance and wonder if the helping guests will stay long.
Who should decide on the use and composition of such forces here spoken of? The administration?
Surely the regent by grace will be in command of any forces in the land? Absolute command and loyalty to death, this sworn by each and every armed pair of feet that offer to cross that border. “

She take her place again.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 12, 2012, 04:00:42 PM
"There will be no overall leader to take direct control of any forces - as I said no armies are being made. No ruler will be forced to hand over his troops to another man, nor would I ask that any besieged party be forced to allow superior numbers into their realm. In all instances the realm under pressure will have the final say in what they will or will not allow into their lands - the centralized administration just works to make such aid more easily available and lift the burden from the conflicted regent, so they wont have to fight diplomatic battles to secure aid, while fighting more urgent ones at their doorstep."

She pauses.
"As I see it, in case of an Incursion in one realm, the ruler of that realm - or whoever speaks on his or her behalf - would contact the administration, alongside their closest allies, asking for help. But as soon as that is done, the ruler should not be forced to continue spending time bowed over a writing desk, furiously sending dispatch after dispatch and reaching outwards when his lands could literally be burning and his attention could be better used elsewhere - leading his people.

From that point onward - when the first plea for help is sent - any coordination between forces and aid going to said realm would be directed by the administration - who, as the name implies, would lift up the burden of administrating the logistics up until the point the forces reach their destination, cross the borders and they can link up with the defenders and drive the shadow, in whatever form it might take, away."
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 13, 2012, 08:25:20 AM
Duke Carilon Alam stands up again


"Princess,
 your proposal makes sense."

He nods towards Princess Aubrae Avan

"...but who will be in charge to lead and cohordinate the administration?"
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 13, 2012, 09:28:42 AM
Aubrae gives a brief smile as she looks at Carilon.
"Last season you supported myself for such a task, Your Grace - if that support still stands, then I shall be happy to place myself forward as a candidate to coordinate this initiative."
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 13, 2012, 09:56:31 AM
"Princess,

you' my candidate"

says the Duke with a loud voice.
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: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) March 13, 2012, 10:07:21 PM
Count Cloene stand and clear his throat:
"Lords and ladies, now we are up to speed, and those who weren't present in the Imperial City last season know what we were talking about. Now it seems fair to allow those who have just joined the talks this season to speak their mind."

He looks around the table, and sits when anyone looks as if they want to speak.
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: X-Roesone/SG (Shido) March 14, 2012, 06:04:32 AM
Count Traese Noelon from Roesone stands and takes the word.
"Your graces, lords and ladies ... the idea I heard here is great and has full support of my lord. But let me be a little nitpicker. We had recently in the south something that could be called 'Incursion' - and yes, I'm speaking about Ilien.
Let we assume that Ilien is a part of this alliance. It's ruler, already under influence of Red Wind, obviously will not call for help. How will alliance react to this situation? Will we wait till Ilien begins to threaten another realm? And then, will this alliance act just on someone's judgement or will be there a need of overall consensus? What if a situation will be a little bit unclear than in Ilien, will we wait and demand clear evidences of shadow incursion from the threatened realm?"
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 14, 2012, 09:55:06 AM
"A valid question, Your Excellency" Aubrae replies, scratching a few more notes down on the parchment in front of her. "And no, you are not a 'little nitpicker' for putting it forth. But there you are talking about going on the offense, which is not what this pact would be about."

She puts down her quill and looks directly at Traese.
"The whole idea with this treaty and the initiative forming around it, is to be so flexible as possible. A necessity in the ever changing political landscape of Anuire. We will not have rules holding us down, nor a strict charter to follow. But we will also strictly be defensive. No precedence should be set, where one realm can use this treaty to storm in with arms bared because they have the 'best interest' of others at heart."

"In a case such as Ilien, if Roesone finds itself nervous about development in a neighboring realm, they have all the freedom to investigate, or not, as usual. In such instances, I would suggest contacting the Conclave of Temples. They are, after all, our first line against the shadow. We can only ever use this treaty to rush to the aid of those who have expressed a need. We do not ourselves dictate who those people may be."

She smiles. "The world, of course, goes on as ever outside. In a case, such as Ilien, signing this treaty would not prevent Roesone from sending troops if they believed Ilien to be under the influence of the Shadow. You just would not have the benefits of opened borders and coordination that this initiative could provide to back you."
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: X-Roesone/SG (Shido) March 14, 2012, 10:50:46 AM
"If you excuse me, I'm not talking here about offensive. Let's assume that Conclave in Ilien did not act and Roesone for some reason overlooked the whole situation to the point where Ilien invaded Roesone. Now we're calling for help. Is this the situation this alliance is build for - and what will allow us to do? This example is brought here intentionally, as from different points of view it might - or might not - be regarded as 'shadow incursion'".
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 14, 2012, 11:11:34 AM
"Ah, now that is something more understandable" Aubrae nods. "Yes, a concrete example would be a good thing, I think."

She leans back, lifting a delicate hand to her face to hide a small cough as she clears her throat. Then she continues.
"In your example, if Roesone was invaded by forces aligned with the shadow - in effect, if Roesone was subject to a Shadow Incursion - you would, naturally, besiege others for aid.

The first thing you would do, would be to send out dispatches. To your closest allies, and to the centralized administration. From the moment you do that, however, you should not be forced to continue spending valuable time by constantly besieging people to help you, when that time could be better spend amongst your people, keeping their spirits up and leading the defenses.

Your closest allies would, I presume, rush to your aid. And being your allies, they would have no trouble crossing your borders. Others who might wish to aid, however, might run into a series of troubles. Avanil, for example, might have to send troops through Diemed to reach Roesone - and to do that, we need permission from the Archduke. Tuornen, Endier and Alamie, might likewise wish to rush to your side, but might be prevented entry through neighbouring countries and left to flounder on their borders.

That is where the centralized administration steps in. When word for help reaches the administration, they, not you, will send out dispatches to other realms, and secure the passage needed under the auspices of the treaty. They would contact the CoT, look into what manner of aid can be brought to you and how, and keep you appraised all the while of what help will arrive, and, hopefully, give an approximate timescale for it to arrive in -  leaving Roesonean leadership with more time and resources to properly take on the threat to their lands, rather than force you to spend half your time directing defenses, and the other half sending and waiting on messages that might first have to go through enemy lines and."

She stops and tilts her head slightly.
"Does this answer you question satisfyingly, Your Excellency?"
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: X-Roesone/SG (Shido) March 14, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
"It does, fully, Your Highness"
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: DM B March 14, 2012, 08:43:38 PM
While the high-and-mighty play the game of words the rest of the courtiers are preoccupied with far more worldly matters; they are talking about Duke Ulric's sworn man - Moergan, Marquis de Thasbyrne (as they say here in the effete South). General Moergan, the butcher of Daulton. He's as close as you get to a living legend and a boogeyman all rolled into one - and now he's here, in the flesh, following his master like a dark shadow, hand never far from the blade. Hard to say what people expected - but whatever it was they are all forced to agree that there is something about Lord Moergan. Something dangerous and attractive. The menfolk want to be him - they aren't admitting it, but who does not dream of being a renowned knight, a lord of your own house, and a dreaded general all at once? And the women...they would certainly like a piece of him...the serving girls say he's the handsomest man in Anuire and dare one another to speak to him...
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 17, 2012, 01:01:28 PM
Aubrae sits in silence and looks around the table, waiting for others to pipe in. When no such replies seem forthcoming, and the chatter regarding the Archduke's boogeyman becomes too much for her, she clears her throat.
"I have heard nothing but words of support from those who have spoken so far. Shall I assume those who have nothing to add are in agreement, and that the proposal to see myself as the coordinator of any aid that might be needed through this pact is accepted?"

She glances about the room once more.
"If so, I would suggest a short pause, before we look to the precise wording of the document, and bring out the quills and ink for signing."
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 17, 2012, 01:29:08 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to speak again,

She nods to the Princess with a sweet smile, eyes cast down,

“Princess,
One appreciate and give deep thanks to the Gods that the Princess is present to such motivate those present to speak their opinions on the proposal promoted.
That said one could not circumvent the process where each and every participant must clear and fully state their views. That is if these proceedings are to be more than words, if serious suggestions.
These matters cannot be settled by silent acceptance, or by short conformations.

Also, the Duchess sent Her delegates in the belief that more specific talks should be held on the treat one face from the Shadows minions. For one, what is known of the character called The Red Wind, what is the nature of that one? And the entity called The Spider, what news can those that border the lands of that one share with those present here? “

She take her place again.
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 17, 2012, 02:13:01 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands again as there are no quick reply,

Now she bows deep to the Princess, keeping her eyes cast down until she speak to the wider room,

“With no disregard for the proposal already put forth, on behalf of my Duchess of Tuornen, one suggest this meeting seek word with the Imperial Chamberlain with intention to give the Imperial Chamberlain the role as head of this suggested administration.

This we do in this room may be the first step towards rebuilding the empire, and if so it must be done right, if now is the time. “

She take her place again.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 17, 2012, 02:15:34 PM
"Emissary" Aubrae remarks, her smile equally sweet. "If your mistress had accepted last seasons invitation, you could have been present at my tourney in the Imperial City, *alongside* the Imperial Chamberlain, where Pontiff Kharnmoin had been invited to speak at great lengths about just those things.

"That is not what we are here to talk about today. Today is about specifics. Last season we talked about the general outlook and what might be done, but today, I came to put forth a proposal as to how I see the nobles of Anuire working together to protect the lands from the shadow."

She pauses to let her words sink in.
"Now, while I would prefer everyone present to sign this - as it would provide the best groundwork for this initiative, I am aware that some voices present..." she glances at the Boer delegation "... may have some reservations. In such a case, there is little I can do. If my words so far has not persuaded those voices, chances are nothing I can say from this point on will. But as long as those who have so far voiced their support are willing to join me in this, then we will form a solid foundation for this initiative. Those hesitant to join us now shall still be welcomed at a later date."
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 17, 2012, 02:26:37 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands again,

she again bows deep to the Princess, keeping her eyes cast down,

“One hopes and begs the Princess excuse our ignorance.”

She take her place again.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 17, 2012, 02:39:33 PM
The princess looks at the emissary for a few long seconds, then she gives a noncommittal shrug. "I've sent copies of the last seasons talks to others I spoke to, prior to them coming here. Had I known your mistress would be as interested, I would have made sure she got a copy too. We shall see it remedied at a later point."
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: X-Sea Witch/Aneira (John) March 18, 2012, 12:10:17 AM
After the short break is finished and the talks resume, the seat reserved for the Sea Witch sits empty.  Looking out into the harbour, her slender white tower is no longer in sight.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 18, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
With barely a glance at the empty seat - any empty seat - Aubrae rises once the remaining interested parties have gathered once more.

"Honoured peers, those of you who remain have a vested interest in seeing your lands safe against the encroaching of the Shadow. You wish to take direct action to defend your people, when calamity strikes, and wish for Anuireans to stand together during times of darkness and crisis. And for that, I applaud you." The Princess of Avanil leans forward and places her hand on the table, looking at each person in turn.
"Some of you where present in Ilien, when the Conclave held the trial to condemn Geraldine el-Mesir. Some of you have heard it from others. But all here, should be aware that the threat of the shadow is real. His Holiness, Wallac Isilviere, during the last months of his pontificate even went as far as to point out the very real possibility that some of our courts might be infiltrated by agents of the shadow. He took effort to point out just how close this threat is to every single one of us... before pulling away the majority of the temples forces to fight in a crusade in the east."

"That means, that for the duration of Wallacs crusade, we, all of us, are left with but a minimal force of the Conclave's militant arm - those troops best trained to fight the shadow - to help us, should troubles arise."

She pauses to let this sink in.
"I do not question the need for this crusade, if the CoT tells us that the Swordhawk should be punished, then that must be so. But as His Holiness said in Ilien, and as Pontiff Kharnmoin said last season in the Imperial City... something is brewing. And taking steps today, to ensure Anuire until such a time as the elite forces of the Conclave of Temples once more stand ready in full force to lend aid in the fight against the Shadow, could be vital for Anuire's continued existence. For *our* continued existence..."


Finishing her little impromptu speech, Aubrae takes one of the scrolls and unfurls it on the table in front of her, putting small weights brought for the occasion in each corner to prevent it from rolling back up.

"The Treaty of Bindier" she begins "binds every signatory in a military defensive pact with one another against the minions of the Shadow.

A) In case of an incident or invasion by the shadow - referred to in this document hereafter as a Shadow Incursion - any regent who is part of this pact may, should he feel himself unable to protect his people against the Incursion, send forth a plea for assistance to the other treaty-signatory's, as well as the coordinating instance.
For the purpose of such pleas, a Shadow Incursion is defined as any instance wherein agents of the shadow have been identified, or there is reasonable suspicion or evidence which indicates their involvement in the events for which help is requested.

At the beleaguered treaty-signatory's plea for help, each signatory would, by agreement, be asked to offer aid to help the beleaguered party. This help can be everything from military assistance to arcane aid or other mundane means, but should be what they can, when they can, to overcome the current Incursion - based on the single premise that the next Incursion might hit them.

B) In the case of military aid, the beleaguered party agree to allow military forces belonging to other signatories across his borders, providing they are fully supplied. The beleaguered party will be made aware of who will be sending aid by the coordinating instance, though, to prevent the shadows minions from becoming aware of army composition, precise numbers and vector of arrival, certain elements may be purposefully omitted from any letter if it is believed that a risk of interception of such dispatches by the enemy. Other types of aid is resolved on a case to case basis.

C) The coordination of aid going to any beleaguered signatory is overseen by a centralized court with sufficient resources available to ensure a smooth process and as short a delay in responses possible, thereby lifting the workload from the beleaguered regent.

D) Until anything else is agreed upon by the signatories, that coordination will be undertaken by Her Highness, Princess Aubrae and her court. "

She looks up.
"Is this acceptable for everyone? Should anything be added or removed? Remember we are trying to keep this as simple and fluid as possible."
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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) March 18, 2012, 04:15:11 PM
Ghorien stands.

"If that is as the text is written for signature then the Duchy of Ghieste is prepared to sign such a document, without changes."

And Ghorien takes his seat again, smiling at the room.
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 18, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to speak again,

She nods to the Princess with a sweet smile, eyes cast down,

“Princess,
Is it so that the suggestion to offer the role of coordinator to the Imperial Chamberlain has been disregarded without due discussion?”

She take her place again.
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 18, 2012, 04:49:59 PM
"It has." Aubrae replies offhandedly and shrugs. "When the Chamberlain shows up and signs the treaty, we can discuss your suggestion. Until then all your words will do is stall these talks unnecessarily."

She turns to Ghorien. "Your support is heartfelt. I am happy to see that there are those that still wish the best for Anuire."
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: X-Roesone/SG (Shido) March 18, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
Count Traese Noelon stands :
"No changes in the text are necessary for Roesone to sign the treaty."
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: X-Brosengae [Cloene] (Linde) March 18, 2012, 07:47:53 PM
"Excellent! So now we have a decent core."
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 18, 2012, 11:23:31 PM
"I am of the belief that Diemed will sign eventually as well. I have yet to lay out the specifics - seeing as this gathering is the first anyones seen to it - but from my talks with him, I believe he would be sympathetic to the initiative and this treaty."
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 19, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
Duke Carilon stands up

"Alamie will sign the treaty"

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: X-Aerenwe/TS (Miloš) March 20, 2012, 12:45:18 AM
After a hushed exchange with her advisor, the representative of Aerenwe, a young woman previously introduced as Fidelia, stands to address the council. "We had hoped for more from this council. The promise of an alliance and aid in case of an attack by the Shadow will mean nothing if there is a major war going on in Anuire when the Shadow attacks.  I believe we all know what is more important to the nobility of Anuire."

"You all point to the Conclave of Temples and the Knights of Haelyn as our shield against the Shadow, but what will happen to us who don't wake up and go to sleep with prayers to Haelyn on our lips? Are we doomed to fall to the Shadow while the crusaders march to battle against an Awnshegh in the far away Brechtür? Aerenwe has been site of many battles against the Shadow in the recent decades, and many brave and invaluable men have been lost in those battles. Where were the Knights of Haelyn at that time? Did they ever set foot on the soil of Aerenwe? Finally, why did the Eastern Temple of Nesirie have to be the only church in Anuire to organize the campaign that rid us of the menace known as the Manslayer?"

"Despite these questions and their unpleasant answers, the Kingdom of Aerenwe supports this idea in general and will sign the treaty."
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: X-Boeruine/Ulric (Robert) March 20, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
*reserved*

will reply this evening or tomorrow morning and remove this comment.
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: X-WIT/Toreas Kharnmoin (Rune) March 21, 2012, 09:43:11 AM
Having been quiet so far during the proceedings, the Pontiff signals that he wishes to speak.

"If I may quickly address Lady Fidelina, I do not know what part my predecessor played in the campaign against the Manslayer, but I assure you that the Knights of Haelyn are hardly the only way the Conclave can respond to threats of the Shadow".

"I would like to take the opportunity to inform the assembled nobles here of another matter that causes concern. In lieu of these debates, I am impressed in the general wish among the nobility to defend against the Shadow. I had intended to come here to inform you all that the Western Imperial Temple, with aid of the Militant Order of Curiaecen, are currently planning a campaign to stabilize and attempt to remove the taint of the Shadow from areas in Alamie and Tuornen. Unfortunately, due to recent events it may be that our campaign may be unsuccessful. When informing Lady Anviraele, who speaks for Her Grace, the Duchess of Tuornen, I was informed that not only are there no issues regarding the legacy of the Eyeless One in Tuornen, but templar forces are also unwanted there and, if I may quote, "..will be harsly met by forces of one Marquis Moergan of Thasbyrn".

The Pontiff looks briefly at the Boer contigent.

"Is it so that Duchess Flaertes speaks for Boeruine in this matter? Marquis Thasbyrn has somewhat of a reputation, and to have that reputation turned against the Conclave of Temples would be most distressing".

"That Her Grace through the words of Lady Anviraele declares Tuornens state faith and it's work to be unwanted, is insulting. But insults I can handle. That she intends to hinder our fight against the Shadow however, causes me a great deal more concern".
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: X-Avanil/Aubrae Avan (Thorsten) March 21, 2012, 09:54:15 AM
The Princess of Avanil, still standing at the head of the table, turns at this news and looks at the emissary of Tuornen. Her left eyebrow has risen to give her a look of piqued interest, as she waits silently for Lady Anviraele and Boeruine's reply.
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: X-Tuornen/LF (Geir) March 21, 2012, 12:46:32 PM
Emissary Lauriel Anviraele stands to reply,

“Holy Pontiff,
Princess,

I am sure a great sadness will result when our Duchess hear for this,

One will here refrain from commenting on what was a confidential conversation. Also one would regardless never believe the Holy Pontiff to in any way speak anything but the truth.

One will again here and now repeat our Duchess eagerness to see the Holy Pontiff visit our Duchess Tuornen. And, one will then deeply apologize for any misunderstandings or difficulty that has resulted from any statement or action during these last days, but one sees no other option then to withdraw at this point.”

With this the Tuornen representatives leaves.
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: X-Alamie/CA (Marco) March 21, 2012, 01:38:18 PM
Carilon Alam stands up and looks to Pontiff Toreas,

"Holy Pontiff,

Any help from the WIT, the MOC or CoT's forces will be appreciated by Alamie and I'll join the campaign. As I hope every other noble who's going to sign the treaty will do"

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: X-Ghieste & HOT/GH (Matt) March 22, 2012, 09:02:00 AM
The Duke of Ghieste does not move from his seat, instead languishing within its comfortable embrace, goblet in hand as he speaks.

"Ah Holy Pontiff, that does indeed sound like a campaign that all who would consider signing the treaty would be able to see the value in. It is a shame that the Duchess Flaertes and her representative fail to see the value in such a noble and reasonable venture."

He pauses and leans forward smiling.

"It is also pleasing to note that even his Holiness is not above being threatened by The Duchess Flaertes with her bogeyman; for sadly," gesturing towards the Boer party and the Marquis in particular, "it seems she likes to use the Good Marquis name in vain, throwing around his fearsome reputation as though he was a weapon in her arsenal, a war hound on a leash only she had command of. By doing so she has treated all parties poorly it feels, but especially the Marquis himself, whose reputation is well earned and not something to be used by others in such a way. By the grace of all that is holy, she even attempted to suggest a split of Alamie with Ghieste whereby she would personally control an invasion by the Marquis... something it seems doubtful she had any good authority to do."

He sits back again, "So yes your Holiness, Ghieste will support the campaign that you have suggested should you wish to call for such support; it seems entirely the right thing for us to do."